[Vwdiesel] AC with propane

Sat Jun 6 18:08:35 PDT 2009

Well since we seem to have forgotten about diesels LOL all this "global  
warming, cooling,climate change " is a crock perpetuated by the  
industrial military complex to send the masses into making uninformed  
choices about things they don't have a clue because they are too lazy  
to read a book and understand that the world, every so often goes  
through global climate change as evidenced {and proved} from core  
drillings in the arctic. To think we as a people can effect things so  
drastically is extremely arrogant and I might add, dangerous. To be  
spoon fed by our governments to believe any "theory" without proof,  
hard scientific  proven truths borders on treason.

Now, if you believe all that ..... I have some prime land for sale  
between watkins and montour, might need some good drainage but I'll cut  
you a great deal ;-}
On Jun 6, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Tad wrote:

> Loren - I'm sure we both know better, but since you brought it up -
> The common term was changed to 'climate change' because 'global  
> warming' is
> a gross oversimplification of the theory and prone to  
> misinterpretation.
>  It's the *average* temperature that is increasing, which results in  
> greater
> extremes (both high and low) and localized variations in weather  
> patterns of
> all kinds.  And I don't know what's been happening where you are, but  
> 'round
> these parts we've had record heat for something like 7 or 8 of the  
> last 10
> years.
>
> You're right that there's not much talk about ozone depletion lately  
> in the
> mass media, and that's really a statement about the media more than it  
> is
> about atmospheric science.  Perhaps it has something to do with the  
> fact
> that we've 'fixed' the cause of problem (more or less), now we just  
> have to
> sit back and wait 50 years or so for the damage already done to work  
> itself
> out.
>
> I see what you're getting at regarding ozone and sunlight during  
> Antarctic
> spring, however you seem to be missing the point that it didn't start
> happening until we dumped a load of ozone-destroying catalysts into  
> the air.
>  No coincidence.
>
> Last thing - memory starts to play tricks on you as you get older... I
> learned that lesson just a few days ago when I was talking to a  
> coworker
> about a mutual friend of ours.  He asked how I knew her and I replied  
> that I
> had dated her older sister about 15 years ago.  Well as it turns out,  
> she
> doesn't have an older sister! :)  So how do I know her, and who was  
> that
> girl I dated?  Beats me...
>
> What's my point?  Elimination of CFCs had zip, zilch, zero to do with
> 'global cooling' (or warming for that matter).  It was only due to the
> catalytic role that CFCs play in the destruction of ozone in the upper
> atmosphere.
>
> In fact, 'global cooling' was *never* a commonly accepted scientific
> hypothesis (which climate change *is*) - it was just a  
> misinterpretation (by
> the media and public, not the scientific community) of a general  
> cooling
> trend that was in effect from the mid-40s through the mid-70s(which,  
> as it
> turns out, was largely due to changes 'albedo' - reduction in solar  
> warming
> due to man-made particulates, soot, etc in the air).
>
> If you're interested, Wikipedia has a great summary of both topics:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
>
> Tad
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:02 AM, <LBaird119 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 6/5/2009 8:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> toensing at wildblue.net writes:
>>
>>> started phase out R-12 freon because the experts said it was causing  
>>> a
>>> growing hole in the ozone over Antarctica &Australia
>>
>>
>>   Anybody notice since the new "religion" became "global warming"
>> which is now being renamed "climate change" due to the lack of
>> warming temps for several years now, that there's been NO mention
>> of the "ozone hole"??  Of course nobody seems to remember that
>> about 15 years ago we had to stop using CFC produced styrofoam
>> and aerosol cans because it was causing global cooling!
>>  Ozone (O3)is unstable and self destructs. It's created when high
>> energy particles (sunlight) strike the atmosphere.  The "hole" was
>> always in panic size every antarctic Spring, which just happens to
>> be after several months of very little sunshine... coincidence I  
>> guess.
>> ;-)
>>
>>  I talked to an engineer (not sure in which field) several years ago
>> about propane refrigerant.  The characteristics are very close to
>> R-12 for temps and pressures.  As for fire hazard, most people are
>> running around with a dozen or more gallons of gasoline and think
>> nothing of it but freak out at the thought of a pound of propane
>> in the A/C!  There's NO air in the system unlike a gas tank.  This
>> guy said the Stoichiometric requirements of propane are MUCH more
>> narrow than with gas.  As he put it, if you do spring a leak, the odds
>> are much more in your favor it'll just leak out.  Too fast and it'll
>> be too rich to burn, leak too slow and it'll be too lean.  Just right
>> and you'll have a short term blow torch but those odds are really
>> small.  Much better odds your fuel line will already be burning.  Get
>> a leak inside and you'll know it unlike with R-12.
>>     Loren
>>
>>
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