[Vwdiesel] Go for head studs or bolts

Sat Aug 7 13:01:57 PDT 2010

Brian:

That is a possible method, however, a few of us have discovered that 
installing a five speed in a Dasher or early Audi Fox like that can put 
undue strain on parts further up in the car, including the axles. The 
first conversion I took part in was one such creature; the axles were at 
an odd angle because of the spacer added to keep from having to dent the 
floor, and it was steadily eating it's way through it's third CV joint.

I personally would just much rather cut and weld instead of messing with 
tilting and angling the engine against it's mounts. Even better would be 
if JG can get the bronze bushings made up for 4 speeds, then I don't 
have to cut anything at all, I'll just put a PW in it and call it done.

The VW Fox floor pan needs no modifications at all to house a five 
speed, so my 2N would drop right in, and it would gladly give up it's 
transmission to put the Dasher back on the road. At least, that's the 
way I feel about it. ;) A 1.5 in a Fox isn't a bad combo either, just a 
PITA to get AC and alternator working well. With the 1.5 going into the 
Dasher, I'm seriously considering jumping ship and finding a Suzuki G10T 
to put in the Fox... Three cylinders, 1L, turbocharged. :D

-Kurt

On 8/7/2010 1:34 PM, Brian and Ruth Decker wrote:
> HI Kurt;
> 	There is an alternative to cutting into the body pan of a Dasher or
> Fox when putting in a 5 speed tranny from a 4 cyl Quantum. You lengthen the
> rear metal transmission mount about an inch which lowers the back of the 5
> speed tranny enough that a few blows with a 3 lb hammer dimples the body
> enough for clearance. I have a 9 Q 5 speed tranny from a 1.6 Quantum turbo
> diesel both in a 1981 Dasher Station Wagon with a 1.6 N/A diesel engine and
> in a 1990 VW Fox wagon that I have installed a 2.0 16 valve gas engine. One
> hundred and 40 horsepower in a VW Fox wagon is a going beast.
> 	Remember as always to get all the 5 speed shift linkage including
> the shift tower from inside of the donor car. The shift gate on the 5 speeds
> is on the opposite side from the 4 speeds.
> Brian Decker
> Toledo WA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Nolte
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:26 AM
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Go for head studs or bolts
>
> Rudy:
>
> We haven't finished the conversion yet, but I do have an '80 Dasher wagon
> that we are planning to put a Quantum 2N five speed into.
>
> While the two transmissions are the same overall length, the five speeds
> stay thicker further along the transmission, to house the extra gear pair.
> You will likely need to cut a small section, bend it into the car for
> clearance, then fill in panels. Tim and I are going this route, rather than
> cutting a hole and boxing it in.
>
> You will also need a bracket to move the mounting point in the rear; again,
> because of the extra thickness. I have one made by a fabricator who did a
> couple such conversions if you would like measurements, or I can hook you up
> with him.
>
> A friend of mine is looking into making a set of 4 speed bushings out of a
> more durable material; he works for a machine shop, so he has the access. If
> he can do it, we'll put the PW in the Dasher, put the 2N in the Fox, and
> call it done.
>
> He's also looking into building a short shift kit to go with the bushings,
> if anyone is interested in that. More interest makes it all more likely!
>
> -Kurt
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Rudy Petersen"<petersenrudy at hotmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 11:57 am
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Go for head studs or bolts
> To: "'Kurt Nolte'"<syncronized_turbo at yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Kurt, I'm thinking of building a Quantum Turbo Diesel engine and installing
> that and the 5 speed into my 1980 Dasher SW daily driver.  Have you actually
> done this conversion?
>
> I wouldn't be doing it for a while as the original engine in the Dasher is
> low miles and runs very well, and strong.  Actually, I'm happy with the
> power and drivability of the 1.5l and 4 speed and I love the car, just
> thinking of down the road a hundred thousand miles or so.
>
> If I did the conversion, I'd like to cut out part of the tunnel and
> fabricate a new piece for the tunnel to fit.  What do you think?
>
> Rudy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Nolte
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:49 AM
> To: William J Toensing; vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Go for head studs or bolts
>
> Unfortunately, you are correct. Only 5 speed transmissions out of an Audi
> 4k, VW Quantum, and VW Fox will fit.
>
> Also unfortunately, putting a five speed in a Dasher requires that you apply
> heat, a BFH, and possibly some cutting and welding to clearance the tunnel
> for the fifth gear hump. If you want a taller, more durable 4speed, however,
> you can put a PW from an 80's Fox in there no problems.
>
> -Kurt
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "William J Toensing"<toensing at wildblue.net>
> Date: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 5:18 am
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Go for head studs or bolts
> To:<vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
>
> Reply to Doyt W Echelberger. Thank you for the offer but I don't think a
> Jetta transmission would fit as the Rabbit/Golf/Jetta engines are east west
> or traverse engines whereas the Dasher&  Quantum engines are north south
> engines. I believe the transmissions are different&  the only 5 speed
> transmission that would fit a Dasher would be from a Quantum. If by chance
> it would fit, I have a 5 speed Rabbit transmission that could serve as a
> donor.
> Bill Toensing, Nevada City, CA
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