[Vwdiesel] Sick, illiterate design

[William A. Thompson]

I suppose the superiority of your birds of a feather is why the inferiority
of our <U.S.A.> birds of a feather whipped your flocks' ass on more than one
occasion .... regardless?

I have worked professionally at different levels on many types of equipment
from all over the world and found at least one place or another on all
equipment to wonder at why "they" did "it" "that" way and curse over "it"
and "them".

I'd much rather the input of self taught reality than only the abstract
theoretical hyperbolical drivel coming from someone who's ego obviously
doesn't recognize how self taught reality can augment the precision of
engineering and both sides of the equation thereby benefit exponentially.

    ... Bill

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From: "Arkady Mirvis" <arkadymirvis at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:04 PM
To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Sick, illiterate design

> Loren,
> Your post had proved to me once more the serious inferiority of american
> mechanics both in philosophy, knowledge and working habbits.
> I, busy like hell managing a manufacturing engineering department, decided
> to get first hand knowledge about lerning to be a mechanic and  enrolled 
> in
> night school at Newton, NJ. That was a significant my time and money
> investment. For an entire year, 4 hours per a week I was patient to bear
> frustrations on a verge to be totally disappointed and drop out.
> Even the primitive equipment was totally absolete. All teachers were
> sel-taught, trained by self-taught, lacking not only technical but
> elementary, from my point of view, professional and teaching experience. I
> was bold enough to contradict many statements and did my best not 
> humiliate.
> My experience of over 40 years included maimtenance, design and super
> precision prodiction, significant part of time in aircraft industry.
> It was simply sickening to see mistakes and totally unacceptable practices
> being passed to young and mid - aged.
> I witnessed practices and work habbits which if used in Germany, Austria
> even small shops and in Portuguese dealership, would lead to immediate
> dismissal. There you can see posters prohibiting use of hammers, pliers, 
> any
> tool which will leave mark on the part.
> Name me a dealership in USA where the car is coming into the service area
> steam, special detergent cleaned to the point that mechanic's white gloves
> stay white and spotless? You see in USA mostly dirty cars, parts and tools
> on the floor, etc.
> I took 2 week course at Bosch Service school and remember Newton school as 
> a
> nightmare.
> What is wrong with idiot-proof design? Nothing! It is a design to make the
> assembler and serviceman more productive and living easier.
> Take a look at 120 volts electric plug. It is double-proof! Nothing wrong
> with the use of same pump on different engines. But it shall be adopted 
> not
> with extra parts! Nothing wrong with having one bolt off-set by 1 mm for
> idiot-proofing, etc.
> I do suggest not to defend dilettantism, but get high quality modern
> education which prepares to deal right with modern technology.
> Ark.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <LBaird119 at aol.com>
> To: <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Sick, illiterate design
>
>
>> In a message dated 8/30/2010 11:47:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> arkadymirvis at gmail.com writes:
>>
>>> Behind the steering pump pulley there was a
>>> spacer. Why? What prevented moving the pump, or the flange on pump on 
>>> its
>>> shaft, or have a 1 mm longer shaft? Sick mind.
>>> More. Socket head cap screws looking same length. You install a wrong
>>> length
>>> screw and steering pump pulley is jammed!
>>
>>  Wow, not sure which one is sick here.  ;-)
>>  Part of what I considered learning to work on mechanical things was to
>> keep in mind what fits where.  On my motorcycles, one engine side cover
>> might use 3 or 4 different lengths of bolts.  I considered it a necessity
>> of
>> design rather than poor design.
>>  If VW/Audi can use the same PS pump on 5 different models of cars by
>> simply using a spacer behind the pulley, that's great!  It means I only
>> need
>> one pump to work on several different cars!  It's YOUR responsibility 
>> when
>> working on something to be sure you put the right grade, thread, length
>> and
>>
>> head design fastener in the correct hole.  It's not a fault of design to
>> not make
>> mechanics an idiot proof profession.
>>  Next you'll want warning lables on cars about mixing up pulleys and
>> bolts!  ;-)
>>     Loren
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