[Vwdiesel] Not Diesel, 70 VW bug motor install not going in...

[Bryan Belman]

The motor is in.  I found a REAL German muffler from the other 1970 bug resto 
project I have been involved with for 4 years now.  It harly has any rust on 
it.  Crazy clean.
Anyway, compared this to my aftermarket muffler on the bug motor that won't go 
back in, sure enough, the muffler is more then an inch wider.
so, took the saw zaw and did some trimming to that muffler and removed some of 
the lips of body panels back by where the muffler will sit.
All good now, the motor is in.  Boy, what a job this was.
Most of time killers were doing it all by myself and having no lift.

Thanks all for your suggestions, alignment is Key.
Now to get it running.
 Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)
82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)
70 Type 1 stock Beetle -- Not running :<( 




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From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 11:28:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Not Diesel, 70 VW bug motor install not going in...


"I had a 60 beetle.  I swapped the 36hp motor and trans for a 1600 with trans.  
This "package" was longer than original and I had to trim up the back tin.  Also 
the heater boxes were different and the firewall interefered, so I had to remove 
the whole exhaust before removing the engine.  This took a 15 minute or less job 
to a couple hours.  But couple hour drives went to 15 minute ones!  ;)"


 
This is my issue, the aftermarket muffler is hanging up on aftermarket 
body panels that were welding in years ago.  Now I remember why I had removed 
the muffler to remove the motor and must have had it off the last time I 
installed the engine as well, but that was years ago and many brain cells have 
past away since then.

time to trim the metal back there and get this done right.  no more taking the 
muffler back off....arg.

 Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)
82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)
70 Type 1 stock Beetle -- Not running :<( 




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From: Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com>
To: VW Diesel Group <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 10:55:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Not Diesel, 70 VW bug motor install not going in...

Hmm...  It seems like if the flywheel is halfway in then probably the input 
shaft should be contacting the clutch.  So turning the motor was my first 
thought, but you say you did that.  


You did remember to remove the alignment tool, right?  :)

The clutch throwout bearing is in, right?  (Like there is nothing holding the 
clutch cable down, or the arm not blocked from retracting somehow?)  I could see 
that not allowing you to push the engine back.

Check the front (= toward front of car) of the heaterboxes.  They might be 
caught up in the firewall, or caught on the tubes that go toward the front of 
the car.  


I had a 60 beetle.  I swapped the 36hp motor and trans for a 1600 with trans.  
This "package" was longer than original and I had to trim up the back tin.  Also 
the heater boxes were different and the firewall interefered, so I had to remove 
the whole exhaust before removing the engine.  This took a 15 minute or less job 
to a couple hours.  But couple hour drives went to 15 minute ones!  ;)

Also, I found an ATV jack was spaced just right to fit the sides of the engine 
case on an air cooled VW.  Also, it is handy to use for removing/installing the 
transmission in a watercooled VW.  Much more stable holding it than a regular 
jack.

Dave Cook


--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bryan Belman <dieselwesty at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Vwdiesel] Not Diesel, 70 VW bug motor install not going in...
> To: vwdiesel at vwfans.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 2:46 PM
> OK, I got my work out last night for
> 2.5 hours trying to get my bug engine back 
> in.
> I had the back of the car jacked up way to high and to much
> angle on the first 
> attempt, so I know why I failed there.
> Mind you, I have no lift, so this is all with jacks,
> blocks and fun.  I am lucky 
> to have a nice clean garage, I am a freak that way for sure
> after working for 20 
> plus years out in the street.
> 
> After first install failed, I assumed the input shaft was
> getting hung up on the 
> clutch or just not going in, bad angle.
> 
> I did not remove the clutch or fly wheel, this was a
> running engine so to speak 
> before it was removed for head swap.
> So, I will double check that tonight, I will insert the
> clutch alignment tool 
> just to be sure I am good there, nothing moved somehow?
> 
> 
> So, 2nd attempt, with the motor on the floor on blocks of
> wood under the heater 
> exchanges, I can remove my floor jack so I can jack the car
> up to remove it from 
> the jack stands and bring it back down lower, to get a
> better angle on the input 
> shaft getting hung up on clutch?
> 
> I put rear tires on and bring it back down to tires sitting
> on 4 inch blocks, 
> that should be low enough.
> 
> I put my floor jack under the motor and get her up and can
> get the two bottom 
> motor studs in the lower tranny holes and the input shaft
> has gone into the 
> clutch hole.
> Same thing, it gets about 1 inch in and will not go in any
> more, push, wiggle, 
> lift the back of the motor up, the flywheel is 1/2 to 3/4
> way into the bell 
> housing, it looks even and strait, the motor does not look
> to be cocked 
> downward, things seem lines up.  But, no go, will not go
> in.
> 
> The muffler does not seem to be getting hung up here?
> I tried to turn the motor to line up the clutch plate with
> the input shaft, 
> nothing, did not feel as if the two of them were even
> touching yet.
> 
> It has been years since I took a but motor out (easy, very
> easy) and back in.  
> Am I stupid and missing something here?
> The motor is 98% complete, just needs carb, distributor cap
> and spark plug wires 
> to be put back on, so nothing in the way there.
> 
> 
>  Thanks
> Bryan Belman, Pt. Pleasant, NJ
> 04 Jetta Wagon TDI PD, 100hp, 5sp -- running :<)
> 92 Jetta 1.6 Eco-Turbo Diesel, 5sp -- running :<)
> 82 Diesel Westy 1.9NA -- running :<)
> 70 Type 1 stock Beetle -- Not running :<( 
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