[Vwdiesel] Stranded-Anti Theft problem

[lbaird119 at aol.com]

We had similar problems a year or two ago but it's an automatic, no pull starting.  Low-ish battery started the issue.  Disconnecting it for a while solved it.  I think it happened again a few weeks later.  Hasn't happened since.
     Loren



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cook <davevw at yahoo.com>
To: VW Diesel Group <vwdiesel at vwfans.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2014 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vwdiesel] Stranded-Anti Theft problem


I thought I sent a reply to the list but don't see it.  Anyway, I was able to 
et home!
I read on VWVortex or TDI Club (don't recall now) that a possibility was if you 
urned on the ignition and let it sit for 15 minutes, it would re-recognize the 
ey and allow start up.
I actually ended up letting it sit much longer than that (like 50 minutes) 
ecause we were sitting around chatting so I don't know the exact amount of time 
equired.  However, when I went out the light was no longer blinking.  A quick 
ull got the car started right up!  
I wasn't ready to head home at that point, but it started just fine again, with 
 pull, when I was ready.  
The root of the problem was not the battery voltage, I'm sure.  It was a crappy 
ebuilt starter that I installed a few weeks ago after the original failed to 
tart one time.
The new one acted funny a few times before today so I am not terribly surprised, 
hough today's failure featured a few differences than the other odd events with 
he starter. 
With the crapped out starter, we tried pull starting the car earlier.  What we 
idn't think about was that if I let out the clutch while the front wheels were 
n snow, they would just slide, rather than spin and turn the engine.  I was 
uper confused when it wouldn't start, and didn't see any tach movement, and 
eard strange noises (tires dragging on packed snow) and was initially worried 
he timing belt had let go.  
I think the switching the key on and off with it occasionally registering a few 
PMs simply confused the immobilizer system, which is why it would only briefly 
un when we dragged it on dry pavement.
Of course, when I got home and got the car in the garage, I tried the starter 
ne time and it worked perfectly.  
But I've already pulled it and will be swapping tomorrow.  I certainly do not 
rust this thing anymore!


ave Cook

_______________________________
From: James Hansen <jhsg at sasktel.net>
o: 'Dave Cook' <davevw at yahoo.com> 
ent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 8:34 PM
ubject: RE: [Vwdiesel] Stranded-Anti Theft problem

I'm sure you are either home with it by now, or it's still smoldering after
ighting it on fire.... but I have had that happen.  All that was required
as to lock and unlock the car with the key.  It reset after that.  Same
ort of events, after a low voltage condition and a boost.  I think the low
oltage has something to do with it.
james

----Original Message-----
rom: vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com [mailto:vwdiesel-bounces at vwfans.com] On
ehalf Of Dave Cook
ent: January-05-14 3:45 PM
o: tdi; VW Diesel Group; TDI-Conversion Group
ubject: [Vwdiesel] Stranded-Anti Theft problem
Hey All-
I'm hoping someone can help out here.
This is a 2002 VW Golf TDI
I went to meet a friend in another town a couple hours away for lunch today.
When we went out to start the Golf, the starter was cranking very slowly.
We initially tried push starting it but with no luck.  So we tried jumping
t.  The starter released a bit of smoke, and has been cranking very slowly
ince.  This is a known crappy "rebuild" starter that has acted up a couple
imes already but I was hoping for warmer weather to change it out. 
So we tried pull starting it with his truck.
That initially didn't work because of all the snow on the road-when I'd let
ut the clutch the tires would just slide on the snow rather than force the
ngine spin.
(I realized this after the first attempt.)
Frozen and hungry at this point, we went to lunch and decided to try again
fter.  
I was able to make the engine crank by only letting off the clutch when we
it dry patches of pavement, however the engine won't start.  It is cranking
s evidenced by the tach registering vs earlier when the tach wouldn't
egister due to the tires only sliding.
The problem seems to be anti-theft system is preventing the car from
tarting.  The anti theft and the glow plug light are flashing when the
gnition is on, even after the rest of the lights go off.  I'm afraid that
ll the tries of roll-starting without success due to sliding on the ice
ight have tripped something in the anti theft system.
I do have a VAG-COM cable with me, though I don't know for sure if it will
ork with my friend's Mac that I'm currently typing this on.
The car is outside with the block heater plugged in and battery disconnected
oping that will reset whatever the problem is.
Anyone have any other ideas?
Thanks,

ave Cook
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