I hope I'm using the server correctly... >From what I gather from my dictionary, "ur" would mean "great" in German (auf Deutsch), as in Urenkel=great uncle. It could also mean "origin", but I think that great would be more applicable to Ur-quattro. (= Great Quattro) Sorry, I deleted the original post! Dorab (Nivi@aol.com) 1990 Coupe Quattro, 61K mi 1986 Chevy Caprice, 283K mi