>>>>> No, I DON'T think a 4000Q can win a National Championship nor do I think a FWD 4000 is capable of it, either. Andy Hollis in his 4 cyl Mazda MX-6 is<<<<<<<< I tend to agree, you can make a nice 4k but to win a national with it puts it in a league that doesn't inherently put the 4k at the top of the heap..... Scott