Sorry about this non Audi related post. For you guys out there with CD-ROMs, the New York Times from the 4th of July listed a nubmer for free disc from the Bimmer people. The number is (201) 307-3785. I know at least one of you out there is eyeing the BMW products. And now they've got the sub $20K Ti here. Oh boy. Nomex on. Shields up. Ernest Wong esw5@cornell.edu