... Al I would have to agree with you. When I won at C.A.N (Car Audio Nationals) I won it on Sound Quality, Imaging and Installation, even though i could still hit 137.5 db spl! Now in my 5KCSTQ I have a Very nice MB Quart/Ecplise/Rockford Fosgate system. 137!??! Oh yeah, well my 9mm will hit 160dbSPL. Oh, speakers, yeah, uh, never mind . . . -RDH