Re: Audi V12?

[grubster@megsinet.net (Martin Gruby)]

At 01:02 PM 8/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> As egg-citing as a V12, W12, A12 or any other kind of Audi 12-cylinder
>> might seem to mere mortals like ourselves, I'd lay odds that Herr
>> Mikulik's "defection" has more to do with Audi's future larger-block
>> engine needs generally than a V12 specifically.  The 12-cylinder
>> programs at Mercedes and BMW hang on by the thinnest of threads.  The
>> trend (and, yes, they change all the time in the motorcar biz, which
>> makes it so fascinating for we pauper voyeurs) is toward more honk from
>> fewer cylinders.  Hope I'm wrong . . .
>
>I would like to see more hp/torque squeezed from smaller capacity engines.
>Anyone can make big bore-stroke engines, but not many can get big
>hp/torque vs. engine size. When I saw the output figures for the BMW's
>first V12, I sure wasn't impressed. Now, BMW's M5 and the real M3 are
>impressive. So is RS2.
>
>Audi S8 got almost the same output from 4.2 litres whereas MB needed 5.0
>(okay, that engine is old) to get the same. Now, that's cool.
That is in there normal 5.0 liter engine. Take a look at the 500E they made
a few years back. That is one fast car. It is also very rare. They are also
making a new one like it called the E50, taken from the E420-320 body and
they have a C36... All very fast.



>Cadillac had a 5.0 litre V8 that produced less than 150hp. Not cool.
>
>I think higher output per litre is more in line with Audi's own motto of
>advancement through technical progress. A bigger engine or bigger capacity
>is only admissable if the output is above average. I don't know if Audi
>REALLY needs a V12/W12/X12/Y12/Z12, but it seems if you want to have a
>legitimate competition to high-end luxury car market then you need one.
>(And if indeed Audi makes one, I hope it's not going to be a half-hearted
>attempt... A 2.5 litre V12 does not earn respect even if it produces
>500hp.)
>
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Mike Gruby
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