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Re: quattro-digest V3 #951
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
> From: owner-quattro-digest@coimbra.ans.net
> To: quattro-digest@coimbra.ans.net
> Subject: quattro-digest V3 #951
> Reply-to: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
>
> quattro-digest Tuesday, 27 August 1996 Volume 03 : Number 951
>
> *
> * Welcome to the digest version of the quattro list.
> * See the end of the digest for unsubscribe info.
> * In this issue:
> Using Non Premium Gas
> Re: Tire pressure
> 5000CDQuattro Clutch sticking
> 874KQ for sale (NY)
> Ozo Bushings
> Re: 4000 Turbo Q
> RE: G-tech Pro performance meter
> Re: a couple of questions
> sample decal
> Re: Q-list Identification
> Re: identify vs. stealth
> Re:identify vs. stealth
> Re: Q-list Identification
> Goodbye speeding ticket... (fwd)
> Re: Audi Master Technician (fwd)
> Sunroof and Wiper Pump Questions
> Mike Loeks & John Lewis phone home...
> Add Suggested Service Intervals to Archives?
> S6 vs. Volvo 850 Turbo R (was Re: ipd)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Byas U Nambisan <Byas_U_Nambisan@ccm.fm.intel.com>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 16:11:00 PDT
> Subject: Using Non Premium Gas
>
> Jerry,
> I've used both 87 and 89 Octane in my A4. I've tended to use the lower
> Octane gas(es?) while doing mainly city or suburban driving. I have not
> noticed any difference in performance under these conditions. However,
> I usually switch to 92 for highway driving. The few times that I did use
> 89 for highway driving, I did log higher gas consumption (mileage
> decreased by about ~1mpg - don't know if the difference is statistically
> significant).
>
> I would recommend that you use 92 when engaging in some spirited
> driving, and 87/89 while engaging in more sedentary driving.
>
> Byas
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: STEADIRIC@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:26:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: Tire pressure
>
> > 2 Run my D60's at 35. Slight variations in pressure are easily
> >felt. I *think* Eric runs a tad? more pressure in the black beast. what
> >say you steadi?
>
> 38 front 36 rear says me. Suspension kitted of course and in the
> everpopular 215/60-15 on 7.5" rims
>
> Later!
>
>
> Eric Fletcher
> '87 5KCSTQIA2RSR2B
> St. Louis, MO
>
> STEADIRIC@aol.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Colin Barfoot" <Colin_Barfoot@msn.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 00:17:58 UT
> Subject: 5000CDQuattro Clutch sticking
>
> Has any one had the problem where the clutch seems to stick intermittently.
> First indication was the pedal stuck on the floor - had to lift it with the
> toe (it worked ok after that for that day). Next it was found stuck to the
> floor again, then this morning the clutch wouldn't disengage enough to let my
> wife get the car in gear (another rule collary of course these failures always
> happen when the spouse has the car and you are not home to see it). A quick
> check tonight shows the peddle not stuck and the clutch disengages, engages
> fine?? The hydraulic fluid resevoir seems to be a bit higher than normal (top
> of full) but there are no drips on the garage floor etc.
> Can anyone give me a response this evening (so I can get it fixed tommorrow)
> on what this problem is and how to fix it ( or what part is about to fail
> permanently). It seems I may have had this problem a couple of years ago but
> I forget if there was any resolution then.
> TIA
> Colin
> 86 5000CD Quattro
> New Brunswick, Canada
> 287,000 km
> still looking for new rear shocks (can afford stediric package this year)
> still waiting for the supply of new wastegate springs or pnematic boost control
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: esw5@cornell.edu (Ernest Wong)
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:02:05 -0500
> Subject: 874KQ for sale (NY)
>
> No affiliation with seller. Found it on the local Usenet forsale group.
>
> - ---------------------------------------------------------------
> I am posting it for a friend:
> There is a 1987 Audi 4000cs quatro 4-door sedan, silver grey
> color, and almost no rust. it has news muffler and fan. it is
> all power. and power sunroff also. it is about 100,600 miles.
> the wholesale price for the car is 3100$, we ask 2700$,
> because the owner will move to another state. if interested,
> please call 272-0789.for Mr zhong or zhou. or email to
> cz16@cornell.edu
>
>
> Someone already responded expressing interest. So she might be already gone.
>
> Happy shopping.
>
> Cornell is in Ithaca, NY. Midstate NY. About hour North of Pennsylvania border.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: mike tipton <mtipton@netten.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:54:21 -0500
> Subject: Ozo Bushings
>
> The "new style" bushings, have a special rubber compound in them, to
> deter aging from the elements. I have had a set on my Coupe GT for two
> years now, and their still tight.
> While I was rebuilding the motor last summer I had the lower sub frame
> removed and it sat in the summer sun for a month. The bushings
> showed no ill effects, or toughning.(New style bushings)
> On my 90, I needed to replace the drive wheel side(RH) bushings.
> So I decided to do all four. My method of removal involves drilling
> around the bushing to remove the attaching rubber, removing the inner
> bushing(core) and using an air hammer to remove the outer steel
> shell.
> While drilling the rubber, I noticed its quite tough, even to the drill.
> Especially compared to the rubber of a tire(I drilled thru a old bad
> spare I had) of the same age. The rubber in the bushings also has a much
> different "smell" (while drilling) than the tire.
> What ever they put in those bushings(New Style) seems to work well.
> I think carbon is an important ingred. in rubbers toughness.
>
> M
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Trisha Bethen <trishab@mv.mv.com>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: 4000 Turbo Q
>
> Did you get his name? Is he running SCCA? I'd be curious to know....
>
> On 27 Aug 1996, Neil Swanson wrote:
>
> > Went again,
> >
> > I went to LRP again today. Open test day always brings out the neat stuff. At
> > the Q event I had heard that the one and only Ferrari CanAm car would be there.
> >
> > It wasn't but the 250 GTO was a nice treat. And that guy really drove it. No
> > trailer queen that.
> >
> > There were F5000s and one CanAm car.
> >
> > What you want to hear about is the 4000 Q turbo. Had a Q Coupe engine etc in
> > it. Full cage and race seats. Meaty tires etc. The car was silent. Made no
> > sound. It had a 2.5"er with one Borla. He ran coil overs all around and had
> > removed the front sway bar to get the thing to turn. It did turn. Took a nice
> > set from what I could see through the esses. His best time till I left was a
> > 1:04.8 I think. If I remember right the Super Touring cars were running similar
> > times.
> >
> > He was a club member but dropped out. IF he had known about the Q Club being
> > there he would have shown up.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ptimmerm@mashtun.JPL.NASA.GOV
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:16:40 -0700
> Subject: RE: G-tech Pro performance meter
>
> I have one for testing out my engine mod's.
> It also works for testing brakes, tires and suspension.
> Bassically it is an accelerometer with an integrator function.
> You can do 0-60, 1/4 mile, 60-0, lateral acceleration, both
> as instantaneous and sustained. The feature I bought it
> for was horsepower measurement. Fo that you need to enter
> in the car weight. It developes errors due to air resistance
> with speed, and requires starting from speed = 0. This is
> something of a problem, cause my peaky old motor doesnt start
> really huff'n good in those lower gears. In the higher gears,
> there is the wind. Still useful, especially for relative testing.
> But HP figures are not perfectly simple. It beats using a
> stopwatch and wathcing traffic and shifting during testing.
> It will hold you result for you. You still need a good test
> track that is flat. Hills effect the measurement. It's not
> like it magiacally calculated HP anytime anywhere. The errors
> in the integration function build, so reest and repeat is the
> methodology. Hope that helps out the curoius.
>
> paul timmerman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Chris Lemon <br00206@binghamton.edu>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:14:23 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: a couple of questions
>
> On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Mehul Dholakia wrote:
>
> >Where do u clean the brake dust off ? is it the wheel caps or the wheels
> >themselves ? if it is the wheel caps, does it affect the performance of
> >the car besides making it look slightly unclean ? and if it is the wheels,
>
> Clean it off the wheels. Spray Quicksilver on then hose it off. Takes
> brake dust right off the wheel. Will also take paint with it if not used
> carefully...
>
> >I have an 88 90Q - 5 spd. When I put the car into second gear, the stick
> >shift vibrates visibly. Sometimes, though rarely, this does not happen
> >and the stick seems fine.
>
> Mine does the same: a SLIGHT vibration in second. If it is SLIGHT, just
> ignore it. If more than that there might be a problem elsewhere...
>
> >is it usual for the trip computer switch to get hot ?
>
> YES. Don't know what to tell you on this one...
>
> >the fan seems to work strangely. In the supposedly OFF position, I can
> >still feel a draft of air(Is this usual ?) Also when I turn the switch
> >thru positions 1-3, I can notice no change in the behavior of the fan,
> >i.e. I can still feel the same draft as in the OFF position. And then
> >in position 4(the last position),
>
> You need a new resistor pack for the fan motor, or the contacts inside the
> speed switch are dirty. Also, the fan will default to low speed, even if
> the switch is "off", when the "A/C" button is pressed.
>
> >finally, how good is amsoil's claim of 6month/25,000 mile no-change on
> >their synthetic oil and filter ? I do remember someone mentioning that
> >their oil filters are way superior,
>
> IMHO, You'd be crazy to leave the same oil in the sump for 25k miles, even
> if it is synthetic.
>
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+OOOO
> Chris Lemon
> Ph.D. student/Audi head
> br00206@binghamton.edu
> Binghamton, NY, USA
> - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-OOOO
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Lee Levitt <wheelman@shore.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: sample decal
>
> Okay, I put together a sample decal and posted it on a web page. Check it
> out at:
>
> http://www.magicpub.com/quattro.html
>
> Let me know what you think...
>
> Lee Levitt
> wheelman@shore.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: shields@tembel.org (Michael Shields)
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:51:26 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: Q-list Identification
>
> > BTW, we decided *not* to put a complete internet address on the decal,
> > mostly to keep people from sending useless mail, but also for space
> > reasons.
> >
> > Here's a coupla possibilities:
> >
> > quattro@coimbra
> > quattro@internet
> > q-list@internet
>
> I would definitely vote for quattro@coimbra -- "@internet" is just too
> cliche, especially with the at-sign.
>
> I'd also like to keep it small and subtle. Audis are not Camaros;
> understatement is very important. Those in the know can look in the
> upper left rear window, or wherever the standard location is, and easily
> see whether a coimbra sticker is there or not. That's all you need;
> we're not recruiting and don't need it to stand out.
> - --
> Shields. ['86 Coupe GT, debadged, depinstriped.]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Alex Kowalski <akowalsk@shrike.depaul.edu>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:51:01 -0700
> Subject: Re: identify vs. stealth
>
> Steven Buchholz wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Kevlar time:
> > > Don't mean to be rude, dude, but if it's subtle it misses the point. We are
> > > trying to identify each other. This is the opposite of stealth. I think
> > > this contradiction is going to sink this whole idea. half of us want to be
> > > able to identify each other at a glance, the other half don't want anything
> > > visible/uncool on their car - the whole exercise becomes pointless. How can
> > > I be cool and stealthy (with a Lee dump sticker on my window) when I've got
> > > a sticker that can be seen from the opposite lane anywhere on my car?
> > >
> > It is my understanding that I'll probably be getting a UK urq club reflec-
> > tive strip for the windshield of my car when I become a member of that club.
> > Such reflective strips are fairly apparent to oncoming traffic (and in the
> > mirrors) ... perhaps we can come up with a q-list logo in a quattro styled
> > font ...
> > >
> > > Why not a fuel additive that not only increases boost by 0.2 bar but turns
> > > our exhaust products an attractive shade of ochre. _NOW_ we can identify
> > > each other!
> >
> > I like this idea ... especially if it is guarateed not to cause additional
> > "ozone depleting, greenhouse promoting" gasses *YET* causes them photo-smog
> > revenue generation trailers to puke. Any thoughts Dr. Myers? :-)
> >
> > Steve Buchholz
> > s_buchho@kla.com
> > San Jose, CA (USA)
>
> Why not a clear sticker with the four rings in silver, except the last
> one made into a Q in the Audi font in canary yellow, and underneath the
> rings in red italics: "Vorsprung Durch Technik". I'd say a sticker no
> larger than 3x5", and everyone willing places it in the same location,
> on either the bottom driver's side of the rear window or the driver's
> side rear door window.
>
> Alex
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Dave Head <dhead@sundial.sundial.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:03:02 -0300
> Subject: Re:identify vs. stealth
>
> I don't know how it is for most of you, but whatever we come up with should
> go in the back...
>
> That's the only part of me you're gonna see...
>
> ********************************AUDI FAN***********************************
> EMCM(SW) Dave Head
> 87 5KCSTQ 176K miles and counting... 1.9 bar boost - Whee!
> Maitland, Florida
> ******************************************************************************
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: savidesn@audvid.win.net (Darin Nederhoff)
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:31:07
> Subject: Re: Q-list Identification
>
>
>
> >When I get home, I'll fire up Paintbrush and lay out a draft decal.
> >I'll post some samples on my website and announce the URL on the list.
> >
> >We can talk about this a bit more, and if there's real interest here, I
> >can move things forward.
>
> Hey Lee,
>
> If you do put the decals on your site for viewing, please let me
> know what the URL is for each sticker design. I'll be building a
> dedicated Web site for the potential decals for the Q-list.
>
>
> Darin
>
>
>
>
>
> - ---
> ****************************************************************
> ** Darin Nederhoff email: savidesn@audvid.win.net **
> ** "Audi Quattro Enthusiast" **
> ** Teflon makes things slick, Quattro makes 'em STICK! ;) **
> ** '93 S4 (pearl / Ecru) -in the family **
> ** '87 4kCSQ (sapphire blue / gray)-my daily driver **
> ** '86 XR4ti (white / gray) -my summer cruiser ;) **
> ** AUTOBAHNIA USA Homepage... http://www.win.net/~audvid **
> ** A site for Audi Quattro and Merkur XR4ti enthusiasts! **
> ****************************************************************
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: orin@netcom.com (Orin Eman)
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Goodbye speeding ticket... (fwd)
>
> Forwarded message:
> > From AUDI-NW-owner@u.washington.edu Tue Aug 27 17:54:21 1996
> > Message-Id: <199608280052.RAA11751@netcom2.netcom.com>
> > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:52:36 -0700 (PDT)
> > Reply-To: orin@netcom.com
> > Sender: AUDI-NW-owner@u.washington.edu
> > Precedence: bulk
> > From: orin@netcom.com (Orin Eman)
> > To: "northwest audi enthusiasts" <audi-nw@u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Goodbye speeding ticket...
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > X-To: audi-nw@u.washington.edu (NW Audi List)
> > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
> > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
> >
> > Well, we finally got to my court date. I was too busy to handle it myself
> > so I hired an attorney. He got it dismissed on the right to a speedy
> > trial - they had taken four months to get it to court.
> >
> > I saw three other cases. The first two were dismissed because the
> > police office didn't show - the judge prompted the first guy by asking
> > him if he had any motions once it was clear the officer wasn't there.
> > As soon as they guy managed to say he wanted the case dismissed because the
> > officer wasn't present, the judge granted the motion and dismissed the case.
> > The next was faster - an attorney representing himself: "I'd like to make
> > the same motion". Judge: "Granted". Attorney: "Does that mean it's
> > dismissed?". Judge: "That was the motion wasn't it?".
> >
> > Then there was another guy representing himself where the cop did show up
> > and just 'translated' his notes on the ticket. The defendant tried to
> > show that the speed limit sign was obscured (and seemed to succeed) but
> > never challenged the speed or the radar... he lost but the judge
> > reduced the ticket by 1mph which saved about $40.
> >
> > The whole thing sure looks like revenue enhancement to me. The city
> > doesn't seem to be putting much effort into prosecuting these cases.
> > I guess they hope that their 'settlement conference' will persuade
> > most people to accept a reduced fine rather than going to court.
> >
> > BTW: This was in Seattle.
> >
> > Another note: DON'T SPEED IN EDMONDS. According to my attorney they are
> > worse than Bellevue and will cite for 1mph over the limit!
> >
> >
> > Orin.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Frontstage" <frntstg9@allinux1.alliance.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:07:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: Audi Master Technician (fwd)
>
> DITTO!!!!!!!
> frontstage
>
> - ----------
> > From: Phil Payne <quk@sievers.com>
> > To: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
> > Subject: Audi Master Technician (fwd)
> > Date: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 5:49 PM
> >
> > In message <199608271614.AA09629@interlock.ans.net> Dan Simoes writes:
> >
> > > Dan, I am a Master VW/Audi Technician working in a VW/Audi/Porsche
> > > Dealer in New Jersey. I came across your web page by posting a question
> > > in the Rec.Auto.Volkswagen.watercooled Newsgroup about helping anyone
> > > with Audi problems. I have all the factory manuals,Tech
> Bulletins,Wiring
> > > Diagrams and have attended 17 Audi training seminars over the past 10
> > > years. I have been working on VW/Audi at the dealer level since 1976.
> >
> > The only word that adequately describes my response is: "Welcome!"
> >
> > (You might care to warn your employers that a significant increase in
> > workshop bookings might be imminent.)
> >
> > --
> > Phil Payne
> > phil@sievers.com
> > Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: The Judge <dismiss@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:26:36 -0700
> Subject: Sunroof and Wiper Pump Questions
>
> 1. How much have any of you paid for a sunroof repair (on any model).
> Specifically, if the cables are stretched or similar problems.
> Ballpark?
>
> 2. Has anyone replaced the wiper fluid pump? My flow is real low, and
> I do not think it is the hose or the nozzle? Any suggestions? Cost?
>
>
> Todd
>
> '90 80Q (Terror of Los Angeles)
> '86 16V Wolfsburg Scirocco
> '85 5KCS (Boneyard Special)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: AUDIDUDI@delphi.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:23:42 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Mike Loeks & John Lewis phone home...
>
> Please get in touch with me so I can ship out your wheels ... believe it or
> not, but my dog ate the piece of paper on which I wrote your street address
> (and email address) and my efforts to track you down through other channels
> have come to nought...
>
> _ _
> / l l o l \ l o Jeffrey Goggin
> /__l l l / l l l l l l / l l * * * * * * *
> / l l_l \_l l l__/ l_l \_l l AudiDudi@delphi.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: The Judge <dismiss@earthlink.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:30:49 -0700
> Subject: Add Suggested Service Intervals to Archives?
>
> Why don't we compile a comprehensive service interval suggestion FAQ for
> each model and add it to the archives?
>
> I ask this b/c I often see people saying "You have to replace the timing
> belt at 80K miles" or similar things in messages, yet these are not
> complied anywhere.
>
> Right know I would like to know what suspension components should be
> replaced on my '90 80Q, but would like to go to a archived suggestion
> sheet if I could.
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Todd
>
> The Judge
> '90 80Q (Terror of Los Angeles)
> '86 Wolfsburg Scirocco
> '85 5KCS (Boneyard Special)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: ScharfR@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:33:49 -0400
> Subject: S6 vs. Volvo 850 Turbo R (was Re: ipd)
>
> In a message dated 96-08-26 18:19:22 EDT, spowers@spdg.COM (Steve Powers)
> writes:
>
> << Engine performance was comparable. The Volvo had less than 6% more
> horsepower at the expense of torque. It had more than 14% less torque.
> Audi: 227 bhp/258 lb-ft vs. Volvo 240 bhp/221 lb-ft. Torque gets
> you off the line, horsepower gives you top speed. >>
>
> Just as important as the maximum torque is the rpm level at which it occurs.
> The S6 achieves maximum torque at 1,950 rpm, then holds it constant through
> about 4,500. That is torque from scarcely above idle, all the way through
> the mid-range. That's plenty of oomph and right off the line.
>
> The Volvo also uses a low-rpm torque strategy, just less of it. It delivers
> 221 lb/ft at 2,100 rpm and has a similar regulation strategy to keep things
> on the boil through the mid-range. But it simply delivers less torque,
> higher up the rpm range. Think of the Audi's advantage as equivalent to the
> delta in total area under the curve, if you were to overlay the two engine's
> torque curves.
>
> Manufacturer's performance figures notwithstanding, the bottom line is that
> in a drag race (crude test of strength) the Audi will still get up and go a
> little better than the Volvo, thanks to power _and_ traction. The S6 has
> four wheels driving, Torsen to distribute power front to rear, and (in the
> most recent iterations) Electronic Differential Locking - EDL - to act as a
> traction control system at the front and rear. The Audi has more inertia to
> overcome, but more power and traction to apply to the task.
>
> The Volvo isn't slow. It also has a form of brake intervention traction
> control that will help it get power to the ground, but still has the limit of
> front wheel drive. It can't get all of it's power to the ground without
> losing some time (and making a lot of heat) with its TRACS traction control
> system. So it won't beat the S6 is a straight line, or much of any other
> kind of race (except, unfortunately, the sales race). But it still beats the
> rear-drive BMW, just like in the Volvo ads. It may please some to learn that
> BMW lost more than the 0-60 race; they also lost an "unfair advertising"
> appeal against the Swedes. They strenuously objected to the "Volvo beats
> BMW" ad, asked Volvo to pull the advertising, formally objected to the
> industry's advertising review board, and lost.
>
> Too bad, tears well up, fade to black
>
> ------------------------------
>
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