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Brakes squeak on a 96A4Q with 7500 miles; anybody else have this problem?
Any suggestions or advice? Dealer says its normal with new metal brakes.
mel 96A4Q
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Date: 10/7/96 5:00 PM
To: Mel Winokur
From: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
quattro-digest Monday, 7 October 1996 Volume 03 : Number
1161
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* In this issue:
I've got the tool
Tire Companies; General Interest, I hope....
Re: UI & Brakes
RE: Pikes Peak/Mt. Washington Hillclimb oldest?
RE: Low idle - control module FOR SALE
Dunlop D60 A2
Re: 5K auto trans question
RE: harley trivia
RE: Is the Porsche 924 really an Audi?
Thanks to all listers
RANT: Stupid gov't measures (low Audi content)
Re: SBH Ent.
quattro(porte) for sale...
Re: check engine light
Re: Fan Resistors
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From: ph%wn.bbc@nr-comms.radio.bbc.co.uk (Heneghan,Paul)
Date: 07 Oct 96 10:23:02 GMT
Subject: I've got the tool
From: "Paul C. Waterloo" <74543.407@compuserve.com>
>Hey, I've got the tool to remove that big, nasty bolt, just email me and
I'll
>lend it to you for postage.
Thanks for the kind offer, but you may notice from my e-mail address
that I live in the UK! Any way, I have one of these on order (only
GBP30) for a couple of months now, so hopefully my cambelts will last
until it arrives.
Paul
paul.heneghan@bbc.co.uk
1984 Audi 80 quattro
1983 Audi 100 Avant
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From: "Royal,Paul" <royal@bos.msmail.idx.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 08:38:00 EDT
Subject: Tire Companies; General Interest, I hope....
Found this on the net, so I can't confirm correctness, but thought
folks might find it of general interest:
BF Goodrich Company - USA
Tire division merged with Uniroyal in 1986. Now solely a
manufacturer of PVC pipe, but the tires brand name is still
used.
Bridgestone - Japan
Makes Bridgestone and Firestone brands.
Continental AG - Germany
Makes Continental and General brands.
Dunlop Tire Corp - Japan
Subsidiary of Sumitomo Rubber Industries Ltd
Firestone - Japan
sold to Bridgestone in 1988.
Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company - USA
Sole US tire mfgr. Also operates 2,000 service centers
worldwide.
Makes Goodyear, Atlas, Lee, and Kelly-Springfield brands.
Michelin Tire Corp - France
Tires are all they do.
Makes Michelin, Uniroyal, BF Goodrich brands.
Pirelli Armstrong Tire Corp - Italy
Makes Pirelli and Armstrong brands.
Toyo - Japan
UGTC (Uniroyal Goodrich Tire Corp) - France
Holding corp for BFG and Uniroyal based in Delaware, USA.
Bought by Michelin in 1990.
Uniroyal - France
Merged with BFG tire division in 1986 to become Uniroyal
Goodrich.
Yokohama Tire Corp - Japan
Makes Yokohama brand.
Top world mfgrs in 1992 were Michelin (22%), Goodyear (18%),
Bridgestone (17%), Continental (7%), Pirelli (7%).
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From: "Hans-Juergen Schneider" <hschnei@ibm.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 96 14:54:38
Subject: Re: UI & Brakes
The october issue of "ADAC motorwelt" includes a long article
about UI. The ADAC is a german organisation similar to the
AAA in the US.
Anyway , the conclusion of the article is that the main
problem is the missing shiftlock feature in Europe.
They also mention that many trials show that the brake
system is always stronger than the engine.
********************************************
* Hans-Juergen Schneider / hschnei@ibm.net *
* 200 Quattro / 90 Coupe Quattro 20V *
* Germany *
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From: glen <gpowell@acacianet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:26:57 -0400
Subject: RE: Pikes Peak/Mt. Washington Hillclimb oldest?
btw, phil, do you know of a longer continuously running euro race than =
MWHC? =20
frank =20
I think you mean 'oldest still run race' not 'longest continuously =
running race' as most/all races did run at some point during the war =
years, etc. It's the oldest STILL RUN race question.
- -glen
=20
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From: glen <gpowell@acacianet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:29:52 -0400
Subject: RE: Low idle - control module FOR SALE
On my 86 5kTQW, There is a relay/controller, a double scket unit on the
bottom row of the relay panel under the dash on the left side of the
steering wheel (LHS Steering wheel). This unit controls the idling
stabilization system. About $300 Canadian new.
<<File: ATT00004.html>>
That's the idle control relay or idle control module. I have a brand new
one for sale for $100.00 US.
- -glen
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From: David Conner <conner@cfm.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:30:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dunlop D60 A2
Dunlop tire company has a homepage.
I thought some folks might be interested in the attached info from it
giving
detailed info about the D60A2.
Lots more info can be found at their web site.
bye,
Dave C.
>
>http://www.dunloptire.com/tires/D60_A2.html
>> [Performance Radials]
>>
>> Dunlop D60 A2
>> "H" Rated All-Weather Performance Radial for World Cars
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> * Advanced High Performance Tread Compound -
>> optimum combination of advanced polymers and
>> Small Particle High Strength (SPHS) carbon black
>> for excellent all-season handling and traction.
>> * All-Season, High Performance Tread Design for
>> improved grip on wet, dry, and snow-covered
>> roads.
>> * Two Wide, Low Angle Steel Belts provide base of
>> a wide, stable footprint for high performance
>> handling and long wear.
>> [Image] * Hard Rubber Bead Apex/High Ply Turn-Up for
>> precise, predictable steering response.
>> What's on * Exclusive Twin Shift Technology Noise Reduction
>> the inside? System with a variable five-pitch tread design -
>> provides superb quiet ride comfort expected by
>> today's discriminating performance car drivers.
>> * Jointless Nylon Band Construction greatly
>> improves ride comfort by eliminating sources of
>> vibration delivering optimum contact patch shape
>> for handling, traction and treadwear.
>> * 45,000 mile limited treadwear warranty.(See
>> limited mileage warranty brochure for complete
>> details)
>>
>> [Image]
>> **P175/65R14 81H has 200 treadwear grade
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Specifications and Data
>>
>> Rim Tire Tread Tread
>> Size Width Diam. Width Depth
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> P195/70R14 90H 5.5 24.8 5.68 10/32
>> P175/65R14 81H 5.0 23.1 5.35 10/32
>> P185/60R14 82H 5.0 22.7 5.84 10/32
>> P195/60R14 85H 5.5 23.1 6.22 10/32
>> P205/60R14 88H 5.5 23.7 6.44 10/32
>> P185/65R15 86H 5.0 24.5 5.51 10/32
>> P195/65R15 89H 5.5 25.0 5.91 10/32
>> P205/65R15 92H 5.5 25.5 6.06 10/32
>> P215/65R15 95H 6.0 26.1 6.46 10/32
>> P195/60R15 87H 5.5 24.1 6.22 10/32
>> P205/60R15 90H 5.5 24.6 6.44 10/32
>> P215/60R15 93H 6.0 25.2 6.86 10/32
>> P225/60R15 95H 6.0 25.7 7.08 10/32
>> P205/50R15 84H 5.5 23.1 7.63 10/32
>> P215/60R16 94H 6.0 26.1 6.86 10/32
>> P225/60R16 97H 6.0 26.6 7.08 10/32
>> P205/55R16 89H 5.5 24.9 7.63 10/32
>> P225/50R16 91H 7.0 24.9 8.50 10/32
>> P245/50R16 96H 7.0 25.7 9.10 10/32
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> [Image]
>>
>>
>>
>> Tire Buyer's Guide | General Information | Tire Library | Fitment
>> Guide | Feedback | Dealer Locator | Tire Care | Home Page
>
>
>
>
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From: ph%wn.bbc@nr-comms.radio.bbc.co.uk (Heneghan,Paul)
Date: 07 Oct 96 11:41:02 GMT
Subject: Re: 5K auto trans question
From: Ron Angert <rangert@vt.edu>
>I bought a '88 5K non Q non T sedan (95K miles) and I knew about the
>autotrans problem. In my next life i will find a 5 speed, I hope.
>
>Anyway, it does swap fluids to some extent. Actually, it looks like diff
to
>ATF and not the other way around. The hypoid looks fine. My mechanic
>suggests just changing the ATF fequestly, it is very cheap to do, but he
>called the dealer to see what they say, and to get some idea of the cost
of
>replacing the seal, and they had a different view on this.
>
>They said that they were no longer "allowed" to replace the seal as
dealer
>installed seals rarely solved the problem, and that they would not do it.
>Then he added that the failure rate and miles to failure was not
>significantly longer for the clients who changed ATF every oil change and
>those who did not change it. Now, I think that it is to the dealer's
>advantage to encourage tranny failure so they can sell you a new one, but
it
>seems to me that changing the ATF every 3K miles would buy one some
miles.
>Maybe once that synthetic hypoid oil gets on transmission surfaces it is
all
>over, and that would support the dealer's observations.
>
>Now I know that no-one on this list would own a car with an automatic,
but
>there is such a volume of technical and "I once heard" experience on this
>list that I would value any opinions on what to do besides putting
>$200/month in a savings account for the down payment on the new tranny
(or
>Audi).
>
Get a specialist tranny shop to quote you for a recon diff/auto. If
you get it done now (before any real damage is done) it will be
significantly less than waiting for catastrophic failure.
I just had my auto box reconditioned. It cost:
Recon auto GBP210
New Torque Conv GBP110 (no guarantee unless TC replaced)
R & R GBP100 (I thought this was very cheap)
It would have cost another GBP100 or so to have the diff reconditioned,
but mine had a recon three years ago, so didn't need it (I hope).
GBP1 = USD1.5 (approx).
Don't go near an Audi dealer for work of this kind. They may well
contract it out to a specialist and charge you a hefty handling charge.
Paul
paul.heneghan@bbc.co.uk
1984 Audi 80 quattro
1983 Audi 100 Avant
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From: glen <gpowell@acacianet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 09:40:50 -0400
Subject: RE: harley trivia
except the harley cylinders are "in-line" (this is why the motor is so =
narrow) =20
and the duke cyls are offset. i think harley accomplishes this by =
=20
using a split conn rod on one of the pistons. also, the harley pistons =
=20
move up and down simultaneously rather than alternately (explaining the =
=20
unique sound of a harley as well as explaining it's universal attraction =
=20
to female passengers =3D8). also the duke is a 90 degree V twin and i =
think =20
the harley has a narrower angle. =
=20
OK, back to the nascar discussion... =3D8) =
=20
frank =20
Actually, the con rods in a Harley V2 share a common journal, just like =
a pair of con rods in a V8 share a common journal, not split conn rod =
journals. As the two rods share a common journal and the cylinders are =
of a V configuration this means it would be impossible for both pistons =
to rise and fall in synchronization, as they do, for example, in the =
Honda Dream. (did I just date myself? :) THIS is what gives Harleys the =
very distinctive sound and idle. =
Rump-rump-silence-silence-rump-rump-silence-silence. (and what gets the =
girls all excited :)
And now back to the NASCAR race,
=20
- -glen
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From: glen <gpowell@acacianet.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:02:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Is the Porsche 924 really an Audi?
Hi All,
I would like your help to have a rumor confirmed or debunked. I seem to
remember hearing sometime ago that the engine in the Porsche 924 was =
derived
from an Audi truck engine. =20
Jim
Dunno 'bout the truck connection, but the Porsche 924 engine was an Audi =
engine and the entire 924 automobile was manufactured by Audi. The =
Porsche 944 was also built by Audi but had a Porsche-designed engine =
built under license from (Gasp!) I think it was mitsubitchy!
- -glen
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From: ameco@map.com (Robert Russell)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 10:05:24 -0400
Subject: Thanks to all listers
I would like to personally thank all who have responded to my posts.
Its an invaluable resorce to have all your experiences at my finger
tips.
to show my thanks, although I dont have alot of quattro info to share
I can however help with any EXTERMINATING, PEST MANAGEMENT or just
plain old bug killing (not VW) questions you may have for your home or
business .As the vice president and 4th generation of our family
business (American Exterminating co. Springfield Ma since 1913) I
definately have an inherent knoledge of the bug biz.
please mail me directly with any questions
thanks again,
BOB RUSSELL 89 200q
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From: tnas@dtpdirect.nl (Tom Nas, DTP Direct bv)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 16:06:36 +0200
Subject: RANT: Stupid gov't measures (low Audi content)
Hi all,
Just thought I'd give my feelings of frustration an airing. While watching
the TV news yesterday I was outraged by the latest stupid !@#$%R^&
hare-brained government scheme here in Holland- they want to reduce speed
limits in built up areas from 30 to 20mph! For the out-of-town roads
(currently 50mph) they want to go to 40mph. After the announcement of yet
another tax raise on fuel for which we get nothing in return, this will be
the last straw. I will vote for ANYONE who has sensible ideas WRT traffic
management. For every litre of fuel we buy (95 RON unleaded = DFL 2 per
litre) we pay DFL 1.43 of taxes! Fuel prices are about four times as high
here as in the US, and rising. It's even 25% more expensive than in the
UK...
Just for fun, yesterday I tried what 20mph felt like. Man, that was slow!
I
kept on being passed by cyclists, mopeds, even some joggers came close! Of
course I only tried this when I was sure not to hinder traffic :-)
How are they going to enforce this? Well, by introducing yet more road
humps (thank you on behalf of all ambulance personnel!) and reducing road
widths (= more stop-start traffic = *more* pollution and noise).
Quite probably this will also be enforced by installing yet more speed
cameras. Even the city police forces admit that this is a ploy of the
state
police to get their quota of tickets, to finance other activities. A major
organization for promoting traffic safety, usually the first to insist on
lower speeds, say that the constant use of speed cameras contributes
NOTHING to road safety. So my cynical insistence that this is a ploy to
wring some more money out of us poor drivers was right... and I hate being
right about such things.
Well, that feels a lot better. Anyone living in the US of A reading this:
if you envy us europeans, just remember this post. And even the Germans,
lucky above average compared to us poor Dutch folks, have something to
think about these days. The German gov't has dreamed up a super-tax on
non-catalysed cars. Remember, a cat became mandatory in the mid-80s in
most
countries here in Europe. This means that the classic scene in Germany
gets
a big crunch... wonder when this stupid idea passes the border.
Mandatory Audi content: Friday I went to my local Audi dealer to look at
some nice Audi gifts (keyrings etc.) I encountered the sales guy who gave
me my A3 test drive a week ago and still thinks he can sell me an A3.
Anuway, I mentioned A3 models to the guy and he got me a 1:43 Minichamps
model (beautiful!) in a special Audi promo box for a bargain price. I was
waiting for a monsoonlike rain to stop and looked around the showroom some
more- so the sales guy reached into his desk drawer and got out a super
1:87 promo A3 model which he *gave* me! Nice thoughts about Audi dealers
this weekend...
Sorry for the length and the low Audi content of this post. I *had* to get
it off my chest. Feels much better now, thank you.
Tom
1988 80 1.8S (which I think I'll keep for a bit, as it's easy on fuel and
slow!)
Lotsa 1:43 Audis
_______________________________________________________________________
Tom W. Nas, graphic design tnas@dtpdirect.nl
DTP Direct bv Voice +31 (55) 5 790 799
Apeldoorn, the Netherlands Fax +31 (55) 5 790 125
I think animal testing is a terrible idea;
they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
--'A Bit of Fry and Laurie'
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From: dan_masi@MENTORG.COM (Dan Masi)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 96 10:05:19 EDT
Subject: Re: SBH Ent.
On Oct 4, 10:39am, Edward T Spire wrote:
> >>Good luck- and forget crutchfield. They suck. They have
> >>always sucked.
> >
> >
> >Saam, give buttsfield some credit for putting out a great
> >catalog; i always use it to spec. out components before i
> >mail-order them from somewhere else ;-) (had good luck and
> >low $ with SBH Ent., 40-50% less than above)
>
> Please point us at SBH Ent. I did a web search and could not
> find them.
If you find them, find out if they're authorized for the
brand that you're buying, if warrantee matters to you.
Crutchfield is an *excellent* company. Yes, their prices are
higher than most (all?) mail order companies. But their
level of service is unparalled, period. Buy a component
speaker system, install it, and find you just don't like the
sound? Send it back. They have a wealth of car-specific
installation info. Yes, I've used them for specs and then
gone wandering into NYC to pick up some stuff on Canal Street.
No, you WON'T save "40-50%" off of Crutchfield prices that
way in general. If Crutchfield was selling everything at twice
what others were, they'd be out of business. And all you need
is one bad day where you put a screwdriver through a beautiful
new polylaminate woofer (BTDT!) to eat up all of the savings
that you achieved by buying from Gray's Market Goods.
Crutchfield does NOT suck, and they never have.
Dan Masi
'96 A4Q
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From: Bryan Gunn <bgunn@voicetek.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 10:05:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: quattro(porte) for sale...
Hi folks,
Yeek! Be afraid, be very afraid. A friend of mine has an '89 Maserati 228.
The 228 has many, many re-engineered features and enhancements and it
still
runs poorly. The 228 has EFI, no smog pump, redesigned seals, and a
zillion
other things. The older cars are carburetted, have smog pumps, burn
more oil than gasoline, and in general are lucky to have
made it 47K miles. And the prices of parts! Man, I'll never complain about
the quattro again. 228 brake discs are $250 each! This should give you an
idea of the unflinching financial commitment a Maser requires.
However, his stock 228 (when running correctly) is damn fast. It can drop
my mildly tweeked quattro like a ton of bricks. And the 228 runs like 6lbs
of boost stock? When my friend gets around to putting in a "free flow"
exhaust, free breathing air filters, and bumps the boost a bit, look out.
And I'll give the 228 credit for having a really nice interior. Leather,
suede, and wood everywhere. Nice (looking) design and layout of
everything.
And very quiet. Too bad the instruments are wildly inaccurate if at all
functional, the power windows and locks are jokes, and you can guess how
well "computerized climate control" works in an Italian cars. It does,
however, have a gold Cartier clock in the center of the dash.
To be fair, my friend just bought this 228 a couple months ago with 57K on
it, and he doesn't know much of the car's history. It appears to have had
rather inept service and some coarse treatment. We've already ironed out
many of the car's running problems and little glitches, most of which were
caused by mechanics goofing things up then trying to hide their mistakes.
When we get the thing spot on, it's going to be a neat car. Faster than
the quattro, too. Until we get to the turns. Hee hee.
But a quattroporte is a damn scary vehicle in terms of parts and service.
- --
******************************************************************************
* Bryan Gunn Email: bgunn@voicetek.com
*
* Voicetek Corporation Tel: 508.250.7998
*
* 19 Alpha Road Fax: 508.250.9378
*
* Chelmsford, MA 01824
*
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From: rawaudi@frugal.com (RWheeldon)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:13:14 -0700
Subject: Re: check engine light
Chris wrote:
>I keep getting the infamous "check" warning in my 90 (115k)...and I'm
>getting real tired of it! Here's why:
>
>I dump the codes and I get a fault for the ECU temp sensor. I check the
>sensor resistance and harness voltage and both seem fine. The fault was
>intermittent so I figured that maybe the sensor was going out in spurts.
>I replaced the sensor, along w/ thermostat (which, BTW, you *can* do w/o
>removing the P/S pump), and the fault is still there. Now it seems to
only
>be present sporadically when the engine is warm (1/2 way on gauge) and
>sometimes when I'm driving (i.e., throttle open). I cannot, however,
>replicate this every time; sometimes the lamp will light while idling and
go
>away once I get moving again...
>
Broken wire or bad connector between temp sensor and ECU. First clean all
connections and apply Stabilant 22A (Radio Shack, I think) and see if that
fixes the intermittent. If not, start looking for a break in the wire.
Bob Wheeldon
'90 V8Q
Principal Engineer
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
robert a wheeldon@boeing.com
rawaudi@frugal.com
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From: rawaudi@frugal.com (RWheeldon)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 07:13:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Fan Resistors
John wrote:
>Continuing along this line, won't 6 volts at 40 amps gives a resistance
of
>0.15 ohms (6/40) for the fan motor. If switched to the high speed
position
>(i.e., no other resistance), wouldn't current would jump to over 90 amps
>(14/.15) and power used to over 1200 watts (14*90)?
>
>Is it possible to measure the voltage drop across the resistor instead of
>the fan?
>
>Am I missing something? It just seems like a great deal of current and
power
>to run a fan. Thanks.
1200 watts, that about 2 hp. What load does a mechanically driven fan
create?
You are missing something, though. The fan motor cannot be modeled as a
resistor. A MUCH better model is a resistor in series with a voltage
source
(battery) that is proportional to the speed of the motor. I would expect
the real motor resistance to be much less that .15 ohm since most of the
power supplied to the motor should go toward moving air rather than
heating
the motor.
Regards,
Bob Wheeldon
'90 V8Q
Principal Engineer
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
robert a wheeldon@boeing.com
rawaudi@frugal.com
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