Re: Sad but true, TQC < TQ

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In a message dated 97-01-05 18:13:01 EST, you write:

<< 
 the excort cosworth has been ford's group a rally car for the last 3 years.
 2 litre turbo (inline) (essentially the old sierra cosworth running gear).
 
 it is a full works rally car with 34mm restrictor to limit to about 300hp.
 
 the 'world rally car' is an fia idea to replace the old group 'a' rules
which
 replaced (sigh) the old group 'b' cars (aka quattro s1, pug t16 evo 2, 
 lancia delta s4/2).  group 'a' required 2,500 similar examples.  the world
 rally car requires 25,000 but gives a much freer hand with modifications
 with only 20 cars needing to be produced.  the cars look much better and
 more like the old group 'b' cars.
 
 it also frees up manufacturers from having to produce awd cars in order
 to go rallying because awd hardware can be sourced from ourside of the
 manufactures product stable and bolted onto the chosen car.
 
 if you follow rallying you will know that, despite having 'only' 300hp, the
 group 'a' cars have been significantly faster over special stages than the
 group 'b' cars of the mid 1980's, due mainly to better suspensions and
 diffs.  recent advances in 'active' diff technology continues to push the
 performance envelope...
 
 -dave. >>
An avid follower of rallye stuff, I assure you....  I was racing during the
Killer B era, tho not close enough to the front with my scirocco to even see
them, got some pix of them tho when I was working the rallyes...  300 hp is a
set that has some gray in it, from all the folks I've talked to....
 Unfortunately for Toyota, a little creative use of the restrictor bypass,
put them behind the 8ball some, and big kudos to the tech who found it, that
was an art in cheating design....  Doesn't change my argument that the design
is prolly more 5ktq/200tq than a 4k/80q based wishbone...  In reality, that
5ktq/200 design is one of the best production designs I've seen in some
time...  The problem with using the 4k/80 design is the camber/toe isn't as
exacting as the 200 design...  Still holding true to my baseline argument
that the rear of the 200 is better engineering than a 4k-ur/q design...  The
math holds true, so does the execution....  No surprise Ford went to it under
WRC rules....  Makes sense to me.... I posted to you becuz I doubt the
wishbone is close in design to the 4k-ur/q....  Should have the details of
that execution soon enough


Scott