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quattro-digest Tuesday, 7 January 1997 Volume 04 : Number 028
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91 200q ABS /electrical
Faster than you...
Re: Fast Q (or 2) for sale
Re: how to connect the A4's radio ?
Re: Euro lights for the 5kt-200t/q
Re: BIG VALVES -Reply
RE: help, moron installed stereo in CQ (bypass rear amp?)
Re[2]: Ignition wires
RE: new shocks for coupe
84 4KQ for sale
Re: Ya'll Can't Get Rid of Me...
Re: Faster than you...
Don't do it!...5.0 Fever!
5.0 Flaming...AH BOBD....20V thermostat
Re: Ignition wires
RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
Re: Kemco needs a Quattro
Poor cold start/idle
Re: Fuel filter
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From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:34:37 GMT
Subject: 91 200q ABS /electrical
In message <32D29995.7EA8@earthlink.net> Sargent Schutt writes:
> Third Prob (and possibly related to the first): The 'worn pad' indicator
> light is always on, though the pads are not worn, and the sensors on the
> pads are fine. A break in the wire somewhere? Related to #2?
Depending on the car, that light might mean more than just worn pads. Check
the brake fluid reservoir, and if that doesn't help and you have a sensor on
the back of the master cylinder, pull the wires and see if the light goes out.
If it does, it's low hydraulic pressure. These cars are all different - check
the driver's handbook or service documentation for _exactly_ what that light
means.
> There's also a lot of unusual electrical 'clicking' noise coming from
> behind the driver's knee bolster. This is where a lot of relays are
> placed in my 86. Apply the brakes = 2 clicks. Turn Signal = random out
> of cadence clicks. Sounds like something's shorting out.
Seat heater switched on for an unoccupied seat?
> The warning/indicator screen goes psychadelic after driving for 15-30
> minutes.
Check chassis grounds on the sidewall under the fusebox, in the engine bay and
any brown wires attached to the engine. Some of the instruments have dedicated
ground circuits and bad ones confuse the display.
Phil
------------------------------
From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:50:16 GMT
Subject: Faster than you...
In message <32D29FCE.1989@earthlink.net> Sargent Schutt writes:
> 5.0 forever...yeah, who else but ford can get ONLY 225 hp out of 5
I don't know if British Leyland ever tried, but I don't think they'd have much
trouble. We had a 1.8 litre Humber once with 40-odd bhp. Mid-1950s, I think.
- --
Phil Payne
phil@sievers.com
Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club
------------------------------
From: ptimmerm@mashtun.JPL.NASA.GOV
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:05:49 -0800
Subject: Re: Fast Q (or 2) for sale
>I've noticed some of you looking for these, so thought I'd alert you.
>Bob at CPA Motorcars (Northridge?, Ca) has the following:
>91 200q - silver, 64k miles, asking $17,500
>91 5 speed V8 - black, 60some k miles, asking over 20k
>
>Never met the man, usual disclaimers, etc.
>
>Leeds
I have never seen the cars, but I have met the man.
I suggest you look them over very carefully, and
not put too much faith in the words that come with...
paul timmerman
------------------------------
From: "Linus D. Toy" <linust@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:09:20 -0800
Subject: Re: how to connect the A4's radio ?
for as long as i can remember, VW products have always had radios wired
directly to the battery--start with a 68 type iii (squareback), a '69 type i
(bug), a '73 type ii (microbus), a couple rabbits, and all the audis i've
known since (5 of them). part of this may be because radios didn't seem to
be intended in the first place--they were mounted UNDER the dash in the
squareback, not IN it.
given that the early VW experience is from (i believe) before VW owned Audi,
I wonder if this is a German thing, a VW influenced Audi thing or just
coincidentally VW & Audi followed the same philosophy?
At 06:37 PM 1/1/97 GMT, Phil Payne wrote:
>In message <19970101114157.6317.qmail@sylvia.tummy.com> >> Why doesn't the
radio turn off?!?
>
>I can offer a personal theory ...
>
>Way back when the ur-quattro was just a potential future, Audi got quite
>interested in ergonomics. One of the companies they talked to at that
<<deletia>>
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From: "Linus D. Toy" <linust@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:09:28 -0800
Subject: Re: Euro lights for the 5kt-200t/q
At 05:34 PM 1/3/97 -0500, QSHIPQ@aol.com wrote:
>H4... The matrix lites are Hella euros, the covetted ones are the Cibie
>conversions, they use a north south oriented H1 bulb and a better
>reflector/lens setup, good luck findin 'em (tho alot of CAN cars had them)...
and what about the Bosch units?
- --linus
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From: Dave Lawson <dlawson@digitalglobe.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:07:21 -0700
Subject: Re: BIG VALVES -Reply
<
>I'm not sure of the part numbers, but there is an air-cooled VW app that
>uses 35mm sodium filled valves. they're a lot longer than the audi's, but
>they're cheap and your local machine shop could cut them down and do the
>keepers...
Better watch how far you cut them down, lest that expensive (And Toxic)
Sodium get's out.....
<
For a science experiment we broke one open in a shop a few years back,
were careful not to touch it, just kinda oozed and bubbled as it was
exposed to the air. Not blinded by science this time...
- -
Dave
------------------------------
From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:09:21 -0800
Subject: RE: help, moron installed stereo in CQ (bypass rear amp?)
Buried it may be, but if Shop A charges you $X for a deck and Shop B
charges you the same for the same system, but includes installation,
Shop A is making money off of you that you don't have to pay...
Competition is a good thing.
- - peter
peterhe@microsoft.com - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1001
91 200qw
94 acura legend gs
issaquah, wa, usa
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lino M. Valadas [SMTP:valadasl@osha.igs.net]
>Sent: Monday, January 06, 1997 7:08 PM
>To: Peter Henriksen; 'CHRIS AHOLA'; 'QUATTRO@coimbra.ans.net';
>'RELAYER@aol.com'
>Subject: Re: help, moron installed stereo in CQ (bypass rear amp?)
>
>The installation cost is buried in the price of the system. People need to
>eat.
>
>Lino
>
>----------
>> From: Peter Henriksen <peterhe@microsoft.com>
>> To: 'CHRIS AHOLA' <aholact@songs.sce.com>; 'QUATTRO@coimbra.ans.net';
>'RELAYER@aol.com'
>> Subject: RE: help, moron installed stereo in CQ (bypass rear amp?)
>> Date: Monday, January 06, 1997 12:56 PM
>>
>> Car Toys here in the Seattle area installs for free if you purchased the
>> system there. That's why.
>> - peter
>> peterhe@microsoft.com - http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1001
>> 91 200qw
>> 94 acura legend gs
>> issaquah, wa, usa
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: CHRIS AHOLA [SMTP:aholact@songs.sce.com]
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 1997 1:53 PM
>> >To: QUATTRO@coimbra.ans.net; RELAYER@aol.com
>> >Subject: Re: help, moron installed stereo in CQ (bypass rear amp?)
>> >
>> >
>> > Why would you expect free installation? Time costs money and so
>does
>> > installing radios.
>> >[snip]
------------------------------
From: tbrown@nosc.mil
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:59:11 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Ignition wires
No, the wires don't go? No, you don't know? Or No, you have CRS from
1986? Which?
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Ignition wires
Author: e6941tb@gnn.com at SMTPGW
Date: 1/7/97 1:08 PM
tbrown@NISE-P.nosc.mil wrote:
>
> After 140K mi. I recently replaced the ignition wires on my 86 CGT. I
> bought a Bosch wire set for Audi. The old wires fanned out to the
> plugs through a routing tube. I yanked on the distributor end
> connectors of the old wires to see how the factory got them through
> the tube. They came right off. I gingerly pulled on the Bosch wire
> to see if it would do the same but I was afraid of ruining them ($70).
> Does anyone know if the Bosch wires come apart in order to route
> through the tube?
>
> Tom Brown
No. That was a long time ago.
Igor Kessel
'89 200TQ
------------------------------
From: MSV96@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:15:55 -0500
Subject: RE: new shocks for coupe
In a note dated 1/7/97. Mike Williams asks;
<snip>They are made by KYB, i am not sure of the exact model, but they
were recommended by my mechanic. I was just wondering if anyone has had any
experience with these before i install them...<snip>
I put KYB’s in my 4ksq around 15k miles ago and have been quite pleased with
them. I was told they offer standard gas and “sport” gas and was told that
the “sport” versions are usualy too stiff. I went with standard gas and am
very happy with them. Only one minor detail that may be shock related (can’t
figure out what else it could be) is a rear clunk (mostly over speed bumps at
very slow speeds)-new control arm bushings and strut bushings were installed
with the strut inserts, rear diff mounts are fine, sub-frame bushings are
fine...my P/A trained/q expert mechanic buddy looked at it recently and found
no visable things wrong-thinks it may be the strut insert shifting slightly
inside the strut housing...if so, this would indicate a poor fit, but fronts
are fine.
With old stock springs and fresh bushings this q handles just like my ‘87
commerative build with so-called “sport suspension” did when it was new, and
far better than another ‘85 I once had that I had fresh Boge turbo TS struts
in...in other words I’m very pleased with the KYB’s. Would buy ‘em again, but
won’t have to for this car as they carry a lifetime warranty too! I know
flame me now, asian shocks on a german car...oh, and I run Bridgestone tires
too-good thing I just payed my penance to the Audi-gods!!!
Mike Veglia
85 4ksq (with KYB’s and not afraid to admit it!)
------------------------------
From: "Southerlin, Russ S" <STHRRSAB@edex.litc.lockheed.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 12:10:47 -0700
Subject: 84 4KQ for sale
Hello to everyone on the Q-list,
I have been a reader of the Q-list for some time but just recently
subscribed. This is my first message to the Q-list!!!
I just upgraded to a 87 5KTQ so I need to sell my 84 4KQ. It has 165K
miles and runs great. I have all maintence records (9 yrs) and some
recent new parts: tires, center exhaust, brakes. I have run synthetic
oil since 100K miles. This has been one of the best, low maintence,
cars I have ever owned (the best snow car I have ever driven, bar
none)!!!
The body is in excellent shape (always garaged) for its age, it was
light hailed on 5.5 yrs ago but over the years the hail has "gone
away" (due to temperature changes - my theory) to the point it is
hardly noticable. Interoir is excellent. Red with dark brown/black
interior, AC, roof, AM-FM cass, cruise, windows etc. Am asking $2500.
Am located in the Denver CO area.
------------------------------
From: "Les Lampman" <llampman@islander.whidbey.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:26:50 +0000
Subject: Re: Ya'll Can't Get Rid of Me...
Hah! Not nec. so, as the song sayeth. If installed properly, real
PITA, but you gotta do it. Clean, install, torque, meas. runout,
rotate a hole, retorque, ad infinitum till you get em all, etc. All
in the book. Most mechanics I've watched won't do it. And if he even
gets close to the front end of the V8 with an air wrench shoot him.
I use my UFO's hard--no track, but lotsa mountain pass heavy
braking stuff. You can read a book at midnight from the glow... no
warp. Had a slight vib. early on... mech told me to do three or four
80 to zero heavy stops... vib. went away and never came back. YMMV
for sure, but I've got almost 45K on the pads now (about 40 percent
left). UFO rebuilds about 300 bucks ea., so if you have to replace em
suspect about a grand for the front... I've heard quotes of up to two
grand, but that's a rip... OTOH, there are a lot more qlisters that
hate the UFO's than love em, so I'm in a minority...
If it makes you feel better, the maintenance on the V8 has been
lower than any of the 18 years worth of Audis I've been driving...
and a whole lot better than the 5 BMW's. The potential for extremely
high maintenance costs is there tho, so preventative maintenance is a
must. Love the car!
HTH
Les
Whidbey Island
Mud, rain, slides, mud, rain, slides... but no snow.
>come and than get worked up! any strange vibration from your front end? not
> yet? damm, wait, it will come!!
>
>
>
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From: Psycho Bob <honge@creighton.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:29:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Faster than you...
>> 5.0 forever...yeah, who else but ford can get ONLY 225 hp out of 5
>I don't know if British Leyland ever tried, but I don't think they'd
>have much trouble. We had a 1.8 litre Humber once with 40-odd bhp.
>Mid-1950s, I think.
My favorite example is the '80-'85 Cadillac Seville. 5.8 liter V8
producing 105bhp (205ft-lb). Of course, an optional 6.0 liter V8 was also
available...
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From: Paul_Royal@isserv9.idx.com
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:32:38 -0400
Subject: Don't do it!...5.0 Fever!
Our good friend Bob D'Amato screamed:
>Then unsubcribe you geek!
>>5.0 forever...yeah, who else but ford can get ONLY 225 hp out of 5
>>litres!!! WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Bob
Hey Mate....don't get caught up in this...besides, with comments like that
I start thinking about my
old 1970 Judge....6.6 Liters RAIII...366 HP...yeah, low hp per liter...but
hell, if it had more.... how the hell
would I ever get it around a corner..... ;-}.....guess that's why I'm in a
2.3L Q now...and loving it!
Royal
------------------------------
From: schulz@iatcmail.ed.ray.com (Peter Schulz)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 15:40:30 +0500
Subject: 5.0 Flaming...AH BOBD....20V thermostat
Bob, luv those 5.0 Mustangs, said:
>
>Oh Oh. I just sent the Mustang flames to the list didnt I.
>Sorry to all...I get this twitch when a mustang THINKS it can beat an
>audi..
>
>:)
>
>Bob
>
Err Bob, don't you own one of dem mustangs. built in 1969
or 1970. Color of preference grabber orange....
..called a Boss 302....
????
8^)))
Required quattro content...wanted to replace the thermostat on
my CQ. Looked at the %$###%$^$!!! Bentley for the procedure.
Of course they have a picture of the 10v motor on the page that
said Coupe...removed the supposed hose to get at the thermostat.
Suprise! Its not there. Looked at the car...have to remove bodywork,
remove the hydraulic pump to get at the thermostat, which is connected
to the lower hose.
Dohhhhhh! Give me a turbo 10v.
please.
BTW : How long do Audi H20 pumps last???
Peter Schulz
1990 CQ 102kmiles (Koni adjustables, tuned nicely, thanks Scott J!)
schulz@ed.ray.com
------------------------------
From: Sargent Schutt <foundation1@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:03:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Ignition wires
Tom,
I replaced the wires on my 86 5ktq, and had the same prob. Easiest
solution is to split the plastic housing along the crease line. It's
pretty thin, and is easy to cut with shop knife. Epoxy it closed if you
want. I left mine open, the wires aren't going anywhere once they're in
the tube, if you split it carefully.
HTH
Sarge
91 200q
------------------------------
From: merlin <merlin@ameritech.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:06:34 -0500
Subject: RE: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
ya know...it just cracks me up when they say that...
- ----------
From: jay c lee[SMTP:jayclee@juno.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 1997 4:12 PM
To: quattro@coimbra.ans.net
Subject: Re: '97 A4Q Squeaky Brakes Won't Stop!!
My A4 has 11.7k on the odometer and the brakes have been squeaking for
the past 7k. The noise is especially loud when braking in reverse. The
dealer (Carlsen Audi) service guy said there wasn't anything they could
do about it. Let me know if you find a solution....
Jay
------------------------------
From: Dave Eaton <dave.eaton@minedu.govt.nz>
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 10:05:35 +0012
Subject: Re: Kemco needs a Quattro
.>From: quk@sievers.com (Phil Payne)
.>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:41:54 GMT
.>
.>In message jpmahala@juno.com (John P Mahala) writes:
.>
.>> Just as a sidenote, what would be the most impressive compu-car:
.>> cyber-sport Quattro or the cyber-ur Quattro?
.>
.>Hmm. It's a bit unfair to unleash a Sport on a poor M3. If you want a more
.>even match, then an MB or a 20V. If you want more excitement, then a Sport -
.>but properly programmed it will simply leave an M3 on the first turn. If you
.>want to be utterly, utterly unfair - Michele's S1.
.>
while you're at it could you see if you can get me a cyber michele :->
- -dave
'93 s2
'90 ur-q
------------------------------
From: "CHRIS AHOLA" <aholact@songs.sce.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 13:09:20 PST
Subject: Poor cold start/idle
[snip]
My car has the idle stab. temp wire connected to a 1-wire
temperature _sender_ which looks like and shows about the
same resistance as the engine temp sender for the ECU.
One of these senders is mounted on the upper coolant hose
flange along with the turbo pump thermo switch and the
multi-temp sender. The other is mounted directly on the
side of the head a bit forward of this flange - near the
steering pump. The Bentley seems to suggest that this
forward mounted sender is the ECU temp source. On the
other hand, the only coolant flange mounted 1-wire device
the dealer shows is a sensor, not a switch.
The thermoswitch mounted directly on the side of the head a bit
forward of the upper coolant hose flange - near the steering pump
controls the idle stabilization system. To quickly determine if
this thermoswitch is bad, disconnect it and reconnect it to the
other thermoswitch near the upper coolant hose flange. Then
start your car, if it runs OK you'll know it was a bad
thermoswitch. I've been running my 5KCSTQ for two months with
the wire for the idle stabilization thermoswitch clipped to the
other thermoswitch on the upper coolant hose flange. I just
haven't had time to replace the bad thermoswitch but everything
seems to run OK.
[snip]
Questions: is the idle stab. temp input supposed to be a temp
sender (variable resistance changes with temp) or a thermo
switch (on/off)?
My Bentley calls it a thermoswitch and gives the following
spec's:
up to 68 F = 0 Ohms
above 104 F = infinity Ohms
if not, replace thermoswitch.
TIA
DeWitt Harrison de@aztek.com
Boulder, CO
88 5kcstq
Good luck and I hope it is as simple as just a switch.
Chris
'87 5KCSTQ
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From: steveb@falcon.kla.com (Steven Buchholz)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 12:56:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Fuel filter
> There has been some talk of the pre filter today. Is there also
> one on the 5k/200 as well ? I have only changed the FF under the hood ?
>
.. I'm pretty sure that I've got one on the '88 5kQ. I wouldn't necessarily
worry about changing it that regularly as long as you are using quality gas.
If you do decide to change the filter I'd recommend running the tank as close
to empty as you dare to maximize the amount of crud in the tank that gets
sent to the filter. There is also a screen at the inlet to the pump as well,
if you're in there changing the filter you might want to make sure that the
screen isn't clogged too ... the word I've heard is that having a dirty
screen/prefilter can contribute to noisy fuel pumps and premature failure ...
The only related problem that I've had was that my '78 Fox GTI has a screen
inside the fuel tank. I was having a problem where the engine would stumble
and lose power under acceleration when the tank got below 1/4. I replaced
the screen and resolved the problem ... the interesting thing is that upon
visual inspection the screen did not appear to be clogged ...
HTH!
Steve Buchholz
s_buchho@kla.com
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