In my experience, the 2.4 4kq was a myth. I've never seen one, or known anyone who had one, except a woman on AOL (bubmeister, what ever happened to her?) who said she had one. -- Dan Simoes dans@ans.net ANS http://coimbra.ans.net/dans.html 100 Clearbrook Road (914) 789-5378 (voice) Elmsford, NY 10523 (914) 789-5310 (fax)