In message <m0w9x6P-000Fy4C@post.cis.smu.edu> randrews@post.cis.smu.edu (Robert Paul Andrews) writes: > One of my buds was telling me most car manufacturers measure HP straight > from the trans. "At the flywheel" is the expression I'm used to. -- Phil Payne phil@sievers.com Committee Member, UK Audi [ur-]quattro Owners Club