Mike Arman, Thanks for that, I believe you restored my temporary humor loss!! :-) Actually, you may have started a naughty thread regarding the "stretch" on the 4 doors for the Shuttle (hatches and all that). According to your theory, my Supra Turbo (and thusly various Audi coupes) will be up in the fastest category now - 2 doors, a hatch and a fuel filler door!!!! Sorry guys....