Re: Awdisaurus excreting dyno oils

["Randall C. Markarian" <asenna@accessus.net>]

QSHIPQ@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-04-08 03:22:37 EDT, you write:
> 
> << > And again, without the spam, I ask that you post an informative post for
>  > every one you use to spam me.  You are down a couple in that respect.  We
>  > won't forget that either. Now, I have put up a post, an informative one,
>  > regarding the use of 2 wheeled dynos for a quattro hp evaluation ONLY.
>  >  Randall, you want to translate that to the track.  Won't jump there with
> you
>  > sir.  It's in the owners manual (and the car isn't moving Randall), so
> many
>  > shops are willing to do the procedure when you can show them the
>  > manufacturers documentation.  The point is getting lost in the muck some
>  > here.
>  >
>  >Scott,
> 
>  >Here is a question.  If one were to test AWD v RWD v FWD, then a "test
>  >bed" of some sort must be devised.  This test bed should be able to
>  >switch among the three configs.  Therefore, if one could take a car, any
>  >car, that could by some "means" be able to deliver power to the ground
>  >in any of these three configurations would be suitable.  One would
>  >surmise that if you could dyno the car, an AWD car, with just two of the
> > wheels, and get some meaningful info from this, then driving that car on
>  >a road, or track, would yield meaningful info on that AWD/RWD/FWD
>  >question that was previously asked.
> 
>  >Sorry that it took so long to inform you, I was out of town.
>   >>
> There is no question above (leading the witness: objection).  "Surmising" and
> designing the specific methodology are two different animals.  The former
> covered extensively, the latter with no precedence or argument.
> Randall:
> 
> Couple problems there.  1)  The awd version of the audi is MASSIVELY
> different than the fwd version, in design and engineering.  2)  explain to
> me, specifically, how you are going to make a rwd audi, or a fwd one for that
> matter, out of an awd car (as in exactly what are you going to "disconnect"
> and how).  I encourage you to take a gander under a fwd audi before you
> answer, specifically, what is the difference between the awd rear and the fwd
> rear geometries  3)  Your curb weight, f/r balance, COG, roll center, sprung
> weight, unsprung weight and the ratio between the two will not give you
> anything to compare, because what you are doing to achieve rwd and fwd isn't
> IN the DESIGN of the awd system.  4) a dyno test on a car has NOTHING to do
> with suspension, the car isn't moving.
> 
> I respectfully encouraged you off line to explain the methodology of this
> whole idea some time ago Randall.  You didn't.  If you think that you can
> achieve the above, I would re-ask that you post how you would specifically
> isolate the variables, how the results are "significant", how the results
> "implicate" anything.  Disconnecting a driveshaft is effective in dyno
> testing only.  You are jumping onto the track with this argument.  Few will
> go there with you.  With this thread, the whole DYNO information is now mired
> firmly, my only "claim,"  DOCUMENTED in the owners manual.  Specifically
> design your track leap exercise, Randall, or, better yet, let's move on.
> 
You just said that you coule dyno an audi with the front wheels on an
AWD car.  Correct?
If that is true the said Audi could be driven FWD.  Correct?  There is
your comparison.

Your original comparison was to compare the differences between
AWD/FWD/RWD NOT suspensions.  Can't you remember?  If one changes the
suspensions between the setups, the validity of comparison is
meaningless.  Do you have any idea what research is?  Seat of the pants
inference means nothing.

Look I have long considered not posting because everytime someone posts
the run the risk of getting slammed by cartain people.  Scott in our
offlist discussions all you have told me is that I am wrong.  Point me
in the direction to get correct info, if you can, or don't respond. 
There now you know why I don't like you.  It seems to me V8 owners have
left the list in droves because our cars are not common and the list
does not meet our needs always.  So I may be the next to follow, so
Scott I just want you to know I am thinking of a warm spot where you
deserve to go.

Adios

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Randall C. Markarian

1990 V8 Quattro
1996 Merc E320

Saint Louis, Missouri