>> I can lock my 205/50-15 ZR >>>tires with ABS off with stock brakes - and very little fade (on the road). I don;t >>>see how better _brakes_ would help the situation much. >>>Grant It's one thing to say "Sally sells seashells by the seashore" once......but try it three times fast and it's a seashell of a different color....FADE! Why are you flat spotting your tires? :-) Royal