In a message dated 97-07-16 08:02:34 EDT, you write: << 85 4000Q - Ahhhhh, what a financial relief! >> I wouldn't call this car financailly relieving, unless you got a REALLY good example. I bought mine for 2,500 and have since put 3,000 into it. God, what a car but not what I would call relieving. Well, maybe next to an Ur-Q :) Carter J Kwattro@aol.com 86 4000CSQ 86 Coupe GT 86 GTI