In a message dated 97-08-02 16:50:45 EDT, you write: << Can I lower it 20mm myself using Eibach lowering springs and achieve the same affect as the factory package >> Hell, for a cheaper route, take out your springs and chop a coil off. BAM! Instant lowered A4, about 20 mm. Carter J Kwattro@aol.com 86 4000CS Quattro (Eibachs, Progas...) 86 GTI (cut stock springs, Tokico Illuminas!!)