>Don't you mean 4 banks of 3 cylinders each? if you refer to a W12, yes.. >Frontal views of: >VR6: \ / > \ / > v > >VR12: \ /\ / > \ / \ / > v v > >Isn't that right? two cranks?? i don't think so!!! try this... W12: \ | / \ | / \|/ v frank to: IN:pbrown@econ.yale.edu cc: IN:quattro@coimbra.ans.net