thanks With the lead times on some of these cars, if you want to order one, its something like 3-4 months at least. I expect the s4 and s6 to be worse. A local VW dealer is expecting his first syncro in mar/april but only at the rate of one a month and a 4-5 month lead time for a syncro glx passat oh well, I guess I'll keep my gls fwd passat for a while