To: quattro >>>>> Indeed, in this thread, it has been used exclusively in criticism of Japanese engineering. Yeah, so what's your point :-) Lighten up folks! Paul "I musta missed that whole PC thing" Royal PS: Did you hear the one about the bloody yank, the WASP, the Indian, the Wop, the Jew, the Christian, the black guy, the bald guy, the blond, the Puertegee and the...ah, you get the point....