RE: 1st 4WD/London Must See!/Porsche Exhibit

["Daily,DerekSJMCG" <DDaily@sjmcb.mitsui.com>]

Quite a bit earlier....

However (since I received NO UK responses I feel I can spill some beans on
the display)...

First of all, (according to the perhaps biased P exhibit) the cupie doll
goes to... 

Was that 4wd car a Lohner Electric? Ferdinan early work (1905)in electric
and 
"mixed" drive cars produced the first front wheel drive car and I'm pretty
sure 
the first 4wd.
   
Rick Glesner 
Littleton, Colorado

However, the exhibit dates the vehicle as a bit earlier.  The first model
incorporated direct drive at the front axles in 1898.  The electric power
was equivalent to 15hp!  The next version (~1902) incorporated the same
direct drive (at the wheel hub) on all four wheels in order that the
vehicle's power could be increased, allowing it to climb grades of 6%.  I
should have pictures up AFTER this week.

Other questions/comments:
RE:  Beetle.  The first fully finished / operational production model is on
display.  It was given to Hitler and, of course, was not called anything
really.  No name badges.  History suggests VW came from this first owner
when he declared it the "People's Car."
RE:  Kubelwagen.  One of the earliest models on display.  This one was taken
by allied forces for their own use during the war.
RE:  Berlin-Rome 1939.  Rick asks if this model was on display as only one
of three survive.  I know I'll take some heat for this, so bear with me.  I
took NO notes.  I was lucky enough to have the time I did in the musuem.  I
have pictures of every vehicle (provided they turn out) and had our company
not switched my computer they'd be up now.  So I can't answer this question
with facts..however...what I do recall.  There was a vehicle in the display
that was built for a race that never ended up taking place.  The time frame
seems similar and the car was not complete.  Non-painted body similar to
silver arrow type cars.  Enough parts were located in the factory to put
this nearly complete car together.  This may be one of the cars?  Sorry I
didn't take notes.  Really.
RE:  959.  A private vehicle is on display.  Called the "luxury" version it
is one of two in existence and powered by a 555bhp engine!  Unglaublich!
RE:  Exhibit RUN.  This exhibit is gone after August 31!  Remember...Design
Museum, Southbank Thames, London.  Get there.

Derek Daily
90 CQ
86 VW qsw

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	EFergu6410@aol.com [SMTP:EFergu6410@aol.com]
> Was it a Beetle from WW2, as many had 4wd (or is it a Kubelwagon, sp?).
> There
> was also an early P-car race car in the works that was 4wd adaptable.
> 
> -Eric Ferguson
	[Daily,DerekSJMCG]  
It was some racer that Dr. Ferdinand Porsche designed back in the 30's.  
It was fast, but incredibly large.  I cant remember what the name of the 
model was.  But if i remember correctly, it was essentially using a VC as 
the center diff...

later...


Michael Sheridan Williams
ICQ# 11740998


	[Daily,DerekSJMCG]  
ahh, easy.  the castillisa (sp?) designed by the herr dockter for a fee
mostly consisting of a "get out of [french] jail free" card.  1949 if
memory serves.  only 2 (1?) were ever made, and never raced.

starter for 10, what was the 1st awd car raced in a grand prix?  and the
last?

dave
'95 rs2
'90 ur-q

	[Daily,DerekSJMCG]  
Actually, the first 4wd car was in 1902 designed by Jacobus Spyker.  It 
won the Birmingham Motor Club hillclimb in 1906.  Porsche's car was the 
Cisitalia.

Michael Sheridan Williams
ICQ# 11740998