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Re: Bulletproof Cars? Not...
I could be wrong on this, but one of the reason the police take cover
behind their doors is because they are specially armored. I think the
front window of some cop cars are double thick and shatter-resistant, and
the doors have an extra metal plate in them. Plus, having SOME cover is
always better than NONE! (At least the door might slow/deflect those
jacketed rounds enough for the bodyarmor to protect you, if you're
wearing it!) But I could be completely off base. (Wouldn't be the first
time. [8^) ) I see this argument having the potential of continuing,
(Calibers vs. Door thickness, FMJ vs.Wadcutters through
American/Asian/European cars, The possibility of ring mounting .50 cal
machineguns to modified Audi 5000 wagons a la "Rat Patrol", etc.), but
please end it here. I like to think I'm not going to get gunned down
trying to protect the paintjob on my CGT's door panels. Peace All!
Love, Like, or Just Plain Tolerate,
Timothy
`86 CGT (Panzer Edition)
`82 Coupe (Hit by enemy HEAT rounds, R.I.P.)
On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:56:37 -0400 Richard Beels <beels@technologist.com>
writes:
>
>Completely? Ummm, sorry no. I live in suburban Detroit and, ummm,
>have
>some experience in this. I shoot quite a fair bit and growing up,
>would
>head down to the neighbor's truck & car junkyard to liberate France
>and
>perforate many an expired car or whatever else the junkyard had
>hanging about.
>
>Some random data points: A couple guys I know were shot at while on a
>TSD
>rally in Southern Ohio last April. They guy pumped 6 shots into the
>car
>with his 9mm (from about 15-25 yards), with the following result:
>"One
>thru the driver door which shrapnelled into my leg (the door does not
>open
>now), one thru the center of the hatch that went thru the seat,
>Jamie's
>arm, HVAC controls, firewall, and dropped someplace out in engine
>compartment, one thru the rr of car above taillight assembly, thru
>plastic,
>thru speaker cone and basket, one in LR tire, one thru the tailpipe,
>posssibly the same one into the rear axle (remember this is an
>Integra)."
>
>In college (in Detroit proper), I was riding in a (ex-)friend's 5kt
>(SEE,
>here's audi content) when we stopped at a house for a party. Of
>course,
>being less than completely sober, we stopped at the wrong house. The
>occupant, was, shall we say, less than happy to see a bunch of guys
>"attacking" him and he came out with a .22 pistol. We ran, jumped in
>the
>car and took off. He started shooting, about 15 yards away. Two
>bullets
>penetrated the C pillar and became lodged in between the interior trim
>pieces and the metal (The strength of German steel?). Adam, who's
>head
>would have been perforated never rode with Craig again. Me? I
>wouldn't
>ride with him either, but still borrowed his car (boost IS
>addictive<g>).
>
>I was riding in a friend's car, white Ford Escort GT (college students
>can't be choosy sometimes when their car isn't working) one day and
>got
>stuck at the McDonalds drive through. The (again, ex-) friend was
>into
>drugs (Detroit again) and some of his "friends" saw his car while
>driving
>by. Stopped and took a shot at ME! I can play this in slow motion in
>my
>head: me just kinda glancing sideways and seeing the guy gesticulate
>at the
>car, them slowing way down and the guy going for the gun under the
>seat, me
>getting all wide eyed as he comes up and starts to shoot, notices I'm
>not
>John, shoots anyways and takes off. Bullet went through both doors
>and
>into the brick of the McDonalds, leaving a nice pock mark. Probably
>9mm,
>35 feet away. "Funny" thing was the first time I borrowed his car, he
>mentioned this might happen. hahaha....
>
>Hollowpoints go through steel, they go through windshields. There's
>lots
>of data on this; variables include caliber, bullet design, cartridge
>charge, angle of penetration, hollow-point "stuffing" (e.g. shoot
>somebody
>in a sweater and the hollowpoint 'fills' with sweater and doesn't
>expand),
>etc... Hiding behind a car is better than standing out in the open
>but you
>want more than an 1/8" thick piece of steel (plastic??? fiberglass???)
>between you and a speeding bullet. The funny thing about most movies
>is
>they show cops, not crouched over the fenders, but standing between
>pillars
>with their torso exposed - as if auto glass has magical bulletproof
>properties.....
>
>
>
>Cheers,
> Richard
> 88 90Q - <insert pithy witticism here>
> 88 Golf GTi - PRO Rally
>
>
Love, Like, or Just Plain Tolerate,
Timothy