RE: ad-blitzes, or is that Flag waving

[Eaton Dave <dave.eaton@minedu.govt.nz>]

yeah, we're not to accept phil's anecodotes, but to accept yours scott?
sorry buddy.  no deal....

also, given your virginal experience in either of the cars being discussed
(euro m3, euro mb ur-quattro), should we even be listening to you?  others
on this lst have had decent experiences of both cars.  otherwise, talk is
cheap...

anyway, lets go to the records here.

facts:
1) the new s4 was rated the better car than the evo 2 m3 in 'car' magazine.
also by 'autocar'.  these are the only tests of which i am aware which
directly compare these two cars...

2) wrt the awd advantage, the awd wrx is called the m3-beater by 'autocar'.
it is giving away 120hp to the m3.  now, lemme see, what was the weight
distribution of a wrx again.....

3) 'motor' rated the awd subaru wrx better than the evo 2 m3 and slammed the
m3 for it's brakes and braking stability (mmm.....).  the actual wrx lap
times on the track were *better* than the m3.  it was running tyres 2 sizes
lower than the m3.  what was that about track awvantage of a 50:50 setup
scott?  real stopwatches here too, not your virtual ones.  track was dry...

4) car rated the low-hp a4 2.8q better than the e46 328i as a drivers car.
small matters like cornering stability and confidence.

happy to provide quotes from any of the above articles.

so, back to the normal programming....
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:29:18 EDT
> From: QSHIPQ@aol.com
[snip]
> 
> Phil, your anecdotes of quattro prowess aside, doesn't change the idea
that a
> properly driven M3 all but nixes the quattro advantage.  A quick look at
the
> reviews of quattros competition in ANY mag, shows that the quattro
advantage,
> just really isn't.  Sometimes you see better braking (but that's a
hardware
> issue, not a quattro one), but not often.  Sometimes you see better
> performance numbers, but not often.  Chassis dynamics is getting simpler
these
> days.  How does one maintain a 50/50 weight balance for the most amount of
> lateral and de/acceleration dynamics.  That is the win in the game of
> performance.  Comparing race cars is silly, IMO.  None of us drive one.
And
> how many 300HP street A4'qs do you know?  I know of one here in the
states.
> And it lacks both the TCC brakes and the wheels.
> 
> Bottom line is this:  The M3 out of the box is hard to beat, period.  You
can
> put 25grand into an A4, and maybe get to the level the M3 4door has, in
terms
> of performance.  But you still have a chassis dynamics problem.  CAUSED by
> that unfair advantage we know as quattro.  
> 
ahh, it's called an s4.  queue at your local dealer....


dave
'95 rs2
'90 ur-q