RE: F40 on freeway (was A8)

["Mark Nelson" <tahoe@msn.com>]

> 	Then why were you surprised the CTR beat the F-40???

Because of how much faster the F40 was in the sections of the course where I
saw both cars going through...I timed them through certain sections as well,
where the F40 was usually about 5% faster.  Had to lose time somewhere else
apparently

> Changing your mind.  I'm confuse.  And I though the CTR was under 500 hp.
The
> original Yellow Bird was, wasn't it?

These aren't the usual CTR's...first of all they don't come standard with
AWD, and RUF uses the narrower body normally to cut down on wind resistance.
The Beddor's cars have nothings standard on them.

> 	I beg to differ.  With 800 hp, a F1 car can spin faster than a 930
> on steroids in the rain.

Perhaps I didn't clarify my comparison that well...it was between the F40
and the CTR, which was originally what you were comparing, was it not?

> 	Yes, they are light and simple looking bare bones in theory like a
> shifter cart, but I would hardly compare the too.  I spose my 4kq is quite
> similar to drive to a S1!  Or a 5ktq to the IMSA car.  Not really.

Todd, if you get a chance I would HIGHLY recommend getting a ride in a fast
cart.  A shifter cart will take a corner faster than just about any street
car will, including most any Quattro, Porsche, and just about any
Ferrari...no joke.  F1 and CART drivers will regularly compare carts to
their full size counterparts, and many drivers such as Paul Tracy, Michael
Schumacher, etc., drive shifter carts regularly to continue honing their
skills.

> I know
> you have much more car racing experience than I do but I cant even put
> them in the same leage.

Just go drive one, and you'll be amazed.  It's quite a blast! =)

> They both handle like slot cars but the limits
> and speed are very different.

Not really...again, go try one, and look at the fact that top drivers
continue running carts because of the similarities.

>  Look at their Budgets.  When was the last
> time you saw a multi Million dollar Go Cart.

Who says you need to spend a million dollars on a go-cart...F1 and Indy cars
are glorified go-carts on a bigger scale.  Again, you've got to drive one to
believe it, then you'll literally be able to watch the indy car and F1
drivers on road courses and instantly notice the similarities and one can
almost tell how the car is handling just watching them from the on-board
camera.

> 	Mark.  I asked for total times.  20 seconds means nothing to me.
> Is that 20 seconds on a one minute course or a 3 hour course.  I need
> close to real times for it to mean much.  What did cars like Alex run and
> how about a stock 4kq or a 308.

Guess I just really didn't care about the total times, but the times up the
hill were in the 3 - 4 minute range.  Sorry, I don't have specific times
available.

> 	Impressive.  Nice to see Alex faster than a Sport Quattro.  Man,
> that F40 is Fast.  0-100 in 7.8 seconds rings a bell.  0-60 many cars can
> keep up due to traction but from there on, it is one hard car to keep up
> with.  Hell, first gear is good for 56 or 58 mph.  If only it had a few
> more it would knock a few tenths off the 0-60. Dang Dog Leg 1st gear.  I
> love that pattern though.  How often do you really use 1st on a race
> course :)

Not on a road race course...possibly a street type course with some sharp
hairpins.

>
>Whats the difference between the RUF ultimate and the CTR 2.  Is
> the Ultimate the Black Road Going car?

The CTR2 is new and has optional AWD.  The Ultimate is RWD and is down about
50 HP (Darin?) on the CTR2's.
I think Frank just got a new RUF to one up the kids. =)

>  I wasn't comparing the F-40 to the
> competition CTR-2.  I was comparing it to the Road Version.  I think it
> should be faster or maybe as fast as it is.

The F40 makes 450 BHP, so it's down a bit to the CTR street car.

>
> BTW, hows the Rally car coming.  Is it done yet???

Almost...it should be ready for international rally in Laughlin.

cya!
-mark nelson
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