REDUX:Re: Differences between 90 and 91 V8's from somebody who owns both :-)

[Mike Larosa <mlarosa@v8q.East.Sun.COM>]

> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:40:45 -0500 (EST)
> From: Mike Larosa <mlarosa@v8q>
> Subject: Differences between 90 and 91 V8's from somebody who owns both :-)
> To: quattro@coimbra.ans.net, V8Q@u.washington.edu
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> 
> When I say both, where talking two V8's approx. 120k miles,
> both Bamboo/Tan automatic's.
> 
> Quick summary would be the 91 is more luxurious in feel
> than the 90.  The 91 is the wife's, she likes luxury, the 90
> being mine, I prefer sport :-)
> 
> BRAKES:
> 
> The 90 has been switched to G60 brakes that don't wobble
> but are definitely inferior to the UFO's in stopping power.
> 
> The 91 stop's on a proverbial dime.  Don't start a war on 
> braking power...

In light of the recent thread on UFO versus G60, I did my own little
60-0 test.  Both cars have recent rotors and pads and both brake
reasonably well.

Slam the brakes on either car and they'll both engage ABS at 60 mph.

The G60 takes considerably more effort to do this.  The UFO's grab
quicker and modulate better than the G60's.  The G60's are in my 90
V8 that I drive everyday, so my feet are calibrated to them :-)

I'm not sure if the power brakes are more heavily boosted on the 91
or if the UFO's simply grab better.  But I'll take the UFO's :-)


> 
> 
> STEERING:
> 
> The 91 has servotronic.  It feels like a mid 70's buick as far as the old
> one finger steering through your typical shopping center parking lots goes....
> 
> Feel isn't as good as the 90.
> 
> If I remember correctly there is a connector you can yank to disable
> servotronic.  If this is true I'd like to try it and maybe even install
> a switch to turn it off when I drive the car.... long term project,
> will let ya know...
> 
> TRANSMISSION
> 
> Very Different behavior.
> 
> Smoother shifting in the 91.  Which isn't to say the 90 shift's
> roughly.  The 91 just seems to shift a bit smoother.
> 
> Sport mode in the 91 will downshift quicker as expected, same as the 90,
> but when you let up it will shift to the next highest gear as in 4th
> if your on the highway.  The 90 will stay in 3rd on the highway all the way
> to 124 mph before it shifts to 4th.
> 
> Manual mode reacts differently as well, for those of you who remember 
> Eliot Lim, he was one of the original V8 owners whom has contributed quite a
> bit to this group with regards to V8 knowledge and Audi knowledge in general. 
>  
> He had his transmission replaced on his 90 V8.  Some of the differences he
> noticed where that in Manual mode, if you stopped, put it in 3rd, slowly
> accelerated the transmission would downshift, even though you where in manual
> mode.  On the 90 it would hold 3rd gear.
> 
> The 91 acts like Eliot's new tranny did.  I'll guess that the new tranny in his
> 90 V8 was probably for model year 91.... just a guess.  
> 
> WHEELS:
> 
> The 90 has the some what flat spoked wheels similar to the 89-91 100 series,
> only with 5 lugs instead of 4.
> 
> The 91 has the BBS type rims, both 90 and 91 are 15".
> 
> The BBS are a pain to clean....  Gonna try taking a cloth glass washer out
> of the kitchen and see if that works good....  wish me luck in the impending
> divorce over that little trick :-)
> 
> "But honey I was using on YOUR car......"
> 

The cloth glass washer works very well :-) 

> 
> DOOR LOCKS:
> 
> 
> Need to try this on the 90, but it appears on the 91 that if you turn the
> drivers door lock to unlock the car, only the drivers door unlocks, if you hold
> it at the unlock position all the locks unlock.  kinda cool.
>


The 90 doesn't do it.  Turn the key all doors unlock.

 
> INTERIOR LIGHTS:
> 
> When you shutoff the 91 the interior lights go on.  This is before you 
> open the door.  Again, kinda cool.  On the 90 the light somes on when
> you open the door.
> 
> TRUNK LID:
> 
> The 90 has springs on the trunk lid hinges.  The 91 has gas struts as well as
> a felt covered,  guessing cardboard laminate type substance on the inside of
> the trunk lid.  The 90 is bare metal.
> 
> CD PLAYER, factory:
> 
> This is way cool :-)  The 6 CD box in the trunk, sounds wonderful.
> 
> ANTENNA:
> 
> The 91 has the awful windshield antenna's, the 90 has the retrofitted 4000Q
> electric antenna on the drivers side rear fender.  The electric while a pain 
> to keep clean and operating smoothly, far outperforms the windshield antenna.
> 
> Mack at Clair Audi has ordered a part that we came across in the parts
> manuals.  It say's something about an FM antenna that goes in the factory 
> cellular phone hole.  The wording isn't clear if this leave's the cell phone
> inoperable or if the antenna will work for both the radio and cell phone.
> 
> Mack agreed to order one and have me check it out, if it doesn't work out he'll
> take it back.  I'll keep ya all posted :-)
> 


It was just a Cell phone replacement antenna and base :-(


There is a fuba am/fm/cell available but it's $250.-


> LEATHER:
> 
> The 91 has the stock Travertine Tan leather seats, the 90 has the optional
> Connolly Tan leather seats, I believe these are refereed to as "Barcoloungers"
> They have 6-9 leather strips where your butt and back go, versus the one square
> leather section.
> 
> HEAD LINER/VISORS:
> 
> The 91 has the standard off gray vinyl looking headliner and visors, the 90
> has felt color matched headliner and visors.  I prefer the felt.
> 
> Lesson learned recently....  Their are 3 types of visors.
> 
> Felt (Cloth) color matched  =  $400.-  plus   OUCH!
> Vinyl color matched = $400.- plus OUCH!
> Vinyl Gray = $112.- from Clair
> 
> I need a new visor for the 91, thank god it's gray vinyl....
>


Put the visor in, much better :-)  The old one would drop down when ya
hit a bump...

 
> HAZARD STOCK/SWITCH:
> 
> The 90 hazard switch is a stock on the steering wheel column, right side.
> 
> The 91 has a switch next to the rear fog light switch on the center console.
> 
> 
> CELL PHONE:
> 
> The 90 has the microphone down low on the drivers side A post.
> 
> The 91 has it at the top of the drivers side A post.
> 
> DOOR PANELS:
> 
> The 91 has a what looks like a window switch in front of the interior
> door latch.  It's actually a central locking switch.  
> 
> The 90 has nothing of the sort...
> 
> 
> ASHTRAY:
> 
> The 91 ashtray is chrome.
> 
> The 90 is black metal.
> 
> 
> 
> The 91 has awful noname brand snow tires that scream and wail.. yuck.
> 
> The 90 has the BF Goodrich Touring T/A 225/60/15. V-rated.  The 91 will
> have these as well in a few month's :-)
> 
> 
> That's everything I've come up with so far.  Gotta remember to check the rpm's
> at 80 mph.....
> 
>

The 91 turns about 200 rpm less at 60mph.
 
> See Ya,
> 
> Mike L.

90 V8
91 V8

	
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