I recently read a comment by a lister about the A8 not being to impressive, that it was rather plain-looking for what it was. I just looked at the pic of one at the http://www.vwvortex.com site (where they mention the A6 with the 2.7 biturbo and the 300 5v V8 - - Yeehaw!), and I do believe it looks a tad bit like a big Audi 90. The S8 in Ronin didn't look at way to me tho'. An observation... Ken