Andrew Buc decided to speak these words: >The question: is there a way to tell a 4kq from a plain 4k by the VIN? >Or would running the VIN thru Carfax (which I'd want to do b4 bidding >anyway) give me this info? Thank you. The easiest way is to look at the first 6-7 digits. On a 4k it might be WAUBD081 while on the 4kq it would be WAUBD085 see the difference...4k is type 81, 4kq, CGT and UrQ are type 85