Thanks to all who replied to this post. My son will be returning to school with a silver / onyx A4 1.8tq. Beautiful. Looks like the best you can do in this area is about 5% above invoice. Pretty decent discount for a hot selling car. Also looked at Maximas. Most dealers refuse to discount at all. What a joke! Thanks again, Jeff 86 4KCSQ Daily Driver 86 4KS Spare