Re: Welcome to my nightmare --- more on new 5ktq clutch that slips

[Gisli Ottarsson <gisli@master.adams.com>]

I called the friendly local Audi dealer and spoke with a confidence-
inspiring tech who said that:

  1) The spring cage *should* face the pressure plate.

  2) It is impossible to do it wrong on the 5ktq.  If you flip the
     disk, the spring cage will come into contact with the flywheel
     bolts before the friction material can contact the flywheel.
     Although he didn't have personal experience with this, he said
     that he believed that the result of forcing this together
     incorrectly would not be a subtle slipping of the clutch.

This matches my own experience as I have said before.  As I installed
the disk per Bentley instructions, I thought I observed that this
could only go together one way.  Although I have heard reports about
this happening on other models, resulting in a slip, I think this is
not the case in the 5ktq.

I also called Bentley to ask them to verify their information.  They
will be in touch with me and I will report their statements here.

So, for the time being I would tend to believe that the figures and
text in Bentley are correct.  Furthermore I am becoming increasingly
suspicious of the pressure plate.  The aforementioned Audi tech
claimed that various Audi's pressure plates have the same bolt
pattern, with a range of stiffness.  I am beginning to expect that
when I rip this apart again I will find that an incorrect pressure
plate.

The weather is nice so we may know soon enough.

Gisli

PS:  My apologies to David G.  My "nightmare" pales compared to yours.


>>>>> On 26 Oct 1999 11:24:45 -0400, I responded to Mike Arman:
 
  MA> Here's a conflicting note I found written into my Haynes book
  MA> from an old post here on the Q-list:

  MA> >> If you used the Haynes manual to assemble the clutch, the
  MA> >> pictures on pages 154 and 155 are WRONG - the clutch disc IS
  MA> >> REVERSED in the pictures. The "snout" at the center should
  MA> >> point to the BACK of the car, AWAY from the flywheel. The
  MA> >> spring side faces the flywheel, not the clutch cover side.

  MA> >> And of course, these photos are from the Bentley book (30.2
  MA> >> and 30.8), which not only shows the pressure plate in the
  MA> >> incorrect orientation, but also SAYS the springs face the
  MA> >> pressure plate!

  GO> Yikes!  Can this really be so?  I followed the Bentley book to the
  GO> tee.  My blind faith in Bentley was so high that didn't even bother
  GO> recording the orientation of the disk I removed.

  GO> Incidentally, why did you say "conflicting"?  These two comments seem
  GO> to agree.

  MA> I have *NOT* BTDT on this, so if someone has a 5K engine out,
  MA> please take a look at the clutch plate and tell us all which way
  MA> it faces!

  GO> I agree.  If correct, this almost seems important enough to add the
  GO> message that a new quattro-list receives to confirm his subscription :-)