RE: Nicked (again) - (torsen content?)

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Dave E writes to the motherlist:
>no pantelis, i've never ever had anything remotely like what has been
>described as "bite" on type 44's, despite considerable deliberate
>provocation (mostly in wet or slippery conditions).  i personally suspect
>that the major contributor to the bite might quite simply be the well-known
>propensity of semi-trailing arm suspension (as featured on the type 44) for
>camber, and particularly toe-out changes in heavy cornering.  rear toe-out
>would of course have a fundamental effect on rear slip angles.  hence the
>requirements with this suspension for careful setup and alignment....

I'm sure you could explain that statement in more detail, given the rear 
multilink suspension in the 44 cars holds camber and toe angles much better 
than the 4k/ur/90 chassis suspensions.  I'm intrigued that you would make 
*any* more torsen statements, given the unsupported claims you posted to the 
torsen list, caused you to leave the list all together.  I'm further 
intrigued by the fact that you seem to *accept* the bite happening on one 
chassis and not the others.  Given that turning radius of *any* chassis 
causes TBR rear, I find the above to be someone simplistic, and given the 
suspension geometry of the 44 chassis cars v others, not a valid conclusion.

>as the ur-quattro (struts) and the rs2 (wishbones) don't have this sort of
>rear suspension, i'm in the clear.  if you think about it, many cars that
>have had semi-trailing arms (e.g. e30 3-series, 911's) were noted for their
>tricky handling in extremis....cheersdave

Why don't we explore the above on the torsen list Dave.  Many of us are 
having a hard time conceptulizing the above explanation.  Many of us have 
looked to you for more detailed answers and documentation to support your 
claims, and have found the depth...  Shallow?

A thorough look at the rear of type 44 suspensions, would exactly contradict 
your *opinion* regarding the camber and toe angles vs old style wishbones.

My .02

Scott Justusson