Re: K24 finally installed in 1986 5000cstq

[Eric_R_Kissell@email.whirlpool.com]

Does anyone have a single pass IC laying around they would like to send me? 
:-)

In all seriousness, where can I find a single pass IC? 
I am in an Audi poor area as far as the salvage yards go.

Eric R. Kissell
1986 5000cstq, 1.8 bar, k24
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Subject: RE: K24 finally installed in 1986 5000cstq
Author:  "Lewis; Gary M" <Gary.Lewis@West.Boeing.com> at Internet
Date:    11/22/1999 2:07 PM


Thanks Gary.  To all interested, The Scott's (J. & Mo.) have been saying for 
a while that if you toss a single-pass IC behind a K26 it will spool up a 
bunch better.  Appears both Gary and MSW seem to corroborate this data. 
After Mrs. Lewis gives me respite from the new house, the 1991 20vt IC goes 
in pronto...

Gary M. Lewis
1990 200tqa Silver/Platinum 146km 1.8 bar P6000 SVR, Bilsteins, BPV 
1986 5kcstqa Sapphire/Platinum 180km Stock


Gary said:
> Gary,
> 
> I'm sure the K24 vs K26 is going to behave differently on my 4000Q with a 
> modified MC-2 high-compression motor than on a '90 200 with a stock MC-2. 
> My 4000Q has a large single pass intercooler (944T), very short tracts
> from
> the turbo to intercooler to intake, a mild cam, 2-piece EM, bypass valve 
> etc, plus it weights close to 700 lbs less than the 200 and has lower
> final
> drive. Maximum boost is around 13psi, though I saw a little higher at sea 
> level. 
> 
> With the stock K24, my 4000 had no lag, but also didn't pull very well 
> above
> 4000rpm (with its gearing and 22.7" tires, this translates to 80mph in 5th 
> gear).  On the track, high water and exhaust temps, heat soaking, etc was 
> common.  With a stock K26, it has a little lag below 3500  but pulls great 
> above that and runs cooler at the track (rarely drive this car below
> 3000rpm
> anyway). The lag is nowhere near as bad as my 5000Q was with its K26. Most 
> of my driving is done above 5000ft, where turbos spool slower anyway. At
> sea
> level, eg Road America, it had almost no perceptible lag and pulled 
> stronger
> than modified S4's out of the corners.(A RS2 turbo might even work with 
> this
> car at sea level). 
> 
> As with any turbo quattro, off-the-line acceleration is not the car's 
> forte
> -- AWD, some turbo lag and the need to shift to 3rd(I think I hit the rev 
> limiter in 2nd at under 55) conspire against it.  The K24 was easier to
> launch off the line for 0-60 runs, though I never timed it, and didn't 
> really care. On the highway and especially on the racetrack, the K26 is 
> much
> more powerful. I estimate 260-270 horsepower, with over 300 realistic if 
> we
> cranked the boost up to 18psi. (Warnings from experts on the list about
> boost controllers and  running this much boost at high altitude have kept 
> me
> from doing this so far.)
> 
> But, again , the K24 on a 5000TQ with only chip/spring, works fantastic! 
> Smoother, quicker, better throttle response, etc. It sure was fun in a
> foot
> of fresh snow this morning! 
> 
> No hard data for you, only seat-of-the-pants driving impressions and much 
> faster track times. Sorry for the long winded response, but since you
> asked...
> 
> Gary Kaklikian
> 86 4kcstq
> 86 5kcstq
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lewis, Gary M [mailto:Gary.Lewis@West.Boeing.com] 
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 10:04 AM
> To: quattro@audifans.com; 'Eric_R_Kissell@email.whirlpool.com' 
> Subject: RE: K24 finally installed in 1986 5000cstq
> 
> 
> Eric said:
> 
> > On 11-18-99  "Kaklikian, Gary" Gary.Kaklikian@Compaq.com wrote: >
> > >We just put the K24 from my 4000 on my '86 5000, which is stock except 
> > for 
> > >TAP chip, wg spring, and bypass valve. I agree - what a great 
> improvement
> > in 
> > >low-end, midrange, smoothness, throttle response, etc! Seems like a new 
> > car! 
> > >Conversely, the K26 works MUCH better on my 4000 (dual knock sensor 
> > >high-compression motor) than the K24 did.
> > 
> > My engineering nature wants to understand why there is a difference in 
> > bahavior for the k24 vs. k26 turbos with the MC-1 vs. MC-2 engines.
> > 
> > The lower compression ratio, single knock sensor (MC-1) benefits from 
> > quicker spool up using the k24 in place of the k26. I have not 
> > experienced any downside from using a k24 in my 5000cstq (MC-1) at 1.8 
> > bar maximum boost.
> > 
> > What performance characteristics improve when using the k26 in place of 
> > the 
> > k24 in the dual knock sensor, high-compression motor (MC-2)? 
> > 
> > Does the higher compression ratio of the MC-2 produce hotter exhaust 
> > gasses 
> > that possess more energy to spool up the k26 sooner than the MC-1 can? 
> > 
> > What does the boost vs. rpm data look like for the various engine/turbo 
> > combinations?
> > 
> Did anyone answer the K24 vs. K26 in a MAC-14/MC-2 car??  As I now have 
> the
> latter, I was curious.  I'm having delusions of 2.2 bar, single pass I/C, 
> 2-piece EM, and a stock RS2 turbo on my 1990 tqa (or saying screw it and 
> buying a 1991tqa...).
> 
> 
> > Gary M. Lewis
> > 1990 200tqa Silver/Platinum 146km 1.8 bar P6000 SVR, Bilsteins, BPV 
> > 1986 5kcstqa Sapphire/Platinum 180km Stock
> > 
>