Re: 4kq with turbo vs. UR quattro

["Pat Martin" <mardkins@email.msn.com>]

Not knowing a ton about rallying but knowing alot about 4ktq's and Ur-q's I
thought I might chime in.
I would guess that the 4ktq would be a little cheaper to run but the Ur has
many advantages.

Pro's 4ktq
1: Weight.  It ways a couple of hundred pounds less than the UR.
2: Cost to purchase.  Much less expensive to purchase than an UR.
3: 4 doors.  Makes it easier to work on in some respects.
4: Cheap parts.  Fenders and panels are cheap.
5: Later electrical parts.  Should be slightly more reliable.

Cons:
1: Conversion is time consuming and can get expensive.
2: Stock fenders and wheel wells are very limited for tire size.
3: lighter axles and suspension components.  The UR's had beefier
components.
4: 4 doors.
5: 4x108 wheels are harder to come by.
6: Low cool factor.  Not that important in rallying but....

Pro's UR-Q
1: Conversion is easier.  You will still need to convert to at least an MC
but the basics are there.
2: Wheel wells are larger allowing wider tires.
3: Heavy duty suspension and drive axles.
4: HIgh cool factor.

Cons:
1: Weight.
2: Costs of running in a rally.  Fenders are VERY pricey even used.
3: Somewhat less reliable than the 4kq.
4: Hydrolic system for brakes and steering.  Pentosin (need I say more)
5: Early electrical systems can be a nightmare.
6: More expensive to buy.

Hope that helps.

>
> I am interested in getting into rally racing, and am
> looking at either purchasing a 4kq and swapping out
> the engine for one with a turbo, or just buying a UR
> quattro that I have lead on. Could anyone give the
> pros and cons of the two. cost wise, both longterm and
> short term and also any expierences that anyone would
> like to share would be great help in my decision.
> I really like the UR quattro, but heard buying parts
> for these is hard and expensive compared to the 4kq,
> But also know that swapping out the engine on the 4kq
> for a turbo is no small task.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Joel Nevin
> 1996 A4Q
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