comments appreciated

Louis-Alain Richard laraa at
Thu Aug 30 07:35:11 PDT 2012

About the interior space...

I saw last summer a early 996 with 4x 18 in wheels and tires inside the car... The pilot removed the passenger seat, but that was
it. He even changed its wheels himself, on a gravel paddock, with a floor jack and a x-bar. Exactly like us ! 

BTW, the RX-8 R3 is a proper track car usable on the street. You need a thick wallet on the track though... 35 l/100km or 8 mpg.


-----Message d'origine-----
De : quattro-bounces at [mailto:quattro-bounces at] De la part de Mark Rosenkrantz
Envoyé : 30 août 2012 09:42
À : Grant Lenahan
Cc : lee at; S-car List; Quattro List
Objet : Re: comments appreciated

968 TURBO?  Sign me up!  ;-)
My toy car is a Z06.  Spec Miatas are fun, as well... Less so on the street.  
But if you want the German, I feel right at home every time I drive it, Porsche is hard to beat.  951 and 986 are easier to drive
past the limits than a Boxster, but the Boxster is newer, handles better, and still is easy to drive at the limits for someone
experienced in car control.  EVO was mentioned... Great cars, faster than the Porsches mentioned, but not as good feeling... And you
have to get over the Japanese styling and interior.  Still, great cars and under appreciated.  It sounds like jumping into a 996/997
is really where you want to be.  And the rear seats (good for a briefcase or children under 5) could be your excuse.  ;-)

Mark Rosenkrantz
Typos sent from my iPad

On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Grant Lenahan <glenahan at> wrote:

> Boxster/or S (986)
> Miata (cheap and many performance mods available)
> 968 will be much more money to maintain, especially the desirable turbo
> 996 will be less agile and more money
> IMS is not a seal issue. Email me if you want the details. I did mine.
> Grant
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Lee Levitt wrote:
>> Folks,
>> 5 years ago I asked this group for recommendations on a "play" car -- summer driver and autocross/track day car.
>> Pretty much everyone responded with an "M" car recommendation.
>> So I picked up an '01 A4 quattro avant, 1.8t. Had a *lot* of fun with it over the past five years.
>> Looks like my son will be moving out of his '97 A6 and into this '01 A4 sometime soon...which leaves me without a summer play
>> I'm back for more recommendations, and given my track record, I'm not going to listen again (particularly if the answer is "M"
car). :)
>> Here's the question...same criteria as before...still not interested in an "M" car. Thinking about a Porsche 968 or perhaps an
early 996 C2.
>> 968s are relatively inexpensive to purchase (~$10K) and reasonably competitive in autocross. I believe they've already hit the
bottom of their depreciation curve. Older car, starting to age slightly, not yet difficult to keep on the road...
>> Early (2002) 996s are inexpensive to purchase ($20K+) and also reasonably competitive, in their classes. Newer car, more to
break, potentially more expensive when it breaks. I know about the IMS and RMS problems, would look for a car with upgraded seals...
>> Again, primary use will be daily driver in the summer. 968 would probably see some increasing (and shared) use as an
autocross/track car by several people (me, son, daughter, friend with 997TT, his sons), and eventually replaced as DD by later 996
or 997. If I went the 996 route, we would eventually add a 944 or 968 as shared autocross/track car.
>> Virtually no seat time in either yet, working on that now. I've spent a lot of time on Rennlist, know (intellectually) the
basics, but have no day to day experience with either of these cars...
>> Boxster would be an obvious, but non-viable alternative...not really interested in pure two seat convertible...Winter car remains
'99 A6 wagon.
>> I know some of you have P-car afflictions in addition to our shared Audi affliction.
>> Comments appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Lee
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