[200q20v] Audi 20V Turbo Crankcase Breather System Tunin
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tommy.arnberg at nokia.com
tommy.arnberg at nokia.com
Thu Nov 2 10:16:04 EST 2000
Hello !
Some new comments.
- vented = the pressure gets out of the system
to free air somehow
- the pressure has to come out, otherwise...BANG and oil every where...
- it can be done several ways:
* burning in the engine near the valves (Factory method)
(by the way, imagine how the burned black stuff enters the CATs...)
* letting the crankcase and valve cover fumes into free air
(this is illegal, but...)
- the carbon canister system MUST be connected to inlet manifold
but doing so that the black back flow preventing valve (part number 6)
http://www.egroups.com/files/Audi20V_Kruemmer/Crank_bre_3B.ppt
is taken out of use and connection closed at end of #11
This could be the new system (page 2 and 3)
http://www.egroups.com/files/Audi20V_Kruemmer/Crank_breath.ppt
- Carbon canister fumes are needed during vacum (idle also)
conditions to make the mixture richer.
> Anyway, Tommy A. seems to believe the device should be a _vented_
> oil-separator, whereas I had assumed that any oil collection
> device would need to maintain the closed crankcase breather system. Tommy
> says (of the bottle w/vented cap):
> >This "vented thing" is very handy and important because
> >the oil/air -pressure has to come out of the system
> >when the original connection to Turbo charger
> >input is disconnected ! And the bigger the
> >hole is the easier is the pressured air to come out !
>
> My own naive view is that you need to maintain a closed loop
> and just take out as much oil as possible from the crankcase air flow
> before it reaches the MAF, turbo, IC, MM-hose or IM. Seems to me that the
> "vented" approach will have inherent problems
> (unmetered air, carbon canister fumes, etc.)
It would be ideal to have perfect separator and collector
and averything in closed system. I hardly belive that it would be "optimal"
from high boost point of view. When optimal it would be much better
than the factory solution !
> whether or not the oem crankcase pressure regulator is at fault if
> excessive quantities of oil are observed ....
I do not belive that the oem crankcase pressure
regulator is fault because it does not prevent the
Oil fumes getting into the valves
- the pressure goes either through Turbo (high boost condition)
or when in vacuum condition then through
back flow valve #6 and rubber hose #11 or #11a
to inlet manifold and then to valves
- during boost the valve #6 is closed
(try to blow air through it the other way !)
(when pressure at both sides of #6 then the net flow direction is tricky
!)
In the factory system, when connected correctly there is a part of
"poorly metered air", during boost. I assume that, when the extra air/fuel
goes
through crankcase breather system the mixture is not corect any more
for reburning. The main mixture gets ~leaner when A LOT of crankcase
fumes get into Turbo and further back to valves. This applies for older
engines
with high boost.
This is not so simple thing and I would like to hear some comments !!
Regards,
Tommy
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