[200q20v] Re: 20V's and other cars, epilogue

[Arthur]

Tom,
You know, you're correct about keeping the 200 with so many other cars
available. I really prefer to drive the '91 TQ wagon over my '93 S4, to the
point that I'm considering selling the S4. The wagon is so smooth and quiet
on the highway, and the speed is so subtle. The styling of the 20V wagon is
excellent in my opinion and the utility of the car (bikes, skiis, labrador,
hardware, etc) keeps everything inside - no roof rack. The car is a bit
slow off the line, but once in 3rd, its pretty incredible. Mine's totally
stock, and will easily go 100+ to the continental divide here in Colorado
(I've done it). What a car!  PS - I've also had 5 various VW's from bugs to
GTI's. Good place to start before the move 'up' to Audi.

Steve Arthur
'91 200 TQ Wagon Metallic Grey/Black
'93 S4 Pearl/Black

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>   1. Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired (Charles Baer)
>   2. Re: Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired (hah at srv.net)
>   3. Re: Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired
(C1J1Miller at aol.com)
>   4. Re: RE : [200q20v]how do you like the IA stage 3? (Vztante at aol.com)
>   5. Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars (Charles Baer)
>   6. [Fwd: Re: sources?] (copley one)
>   7. RE: After-run fan. (Calvin & Diana Craig)
>   8. empathies and apologies (Edward J Kellock)
>   9. re: 20V's and other cars (Alex Lee)
>  10. Re: empathies and apologies (C1J1Miller at aol.com)
>  11. 20V's and other cars, Epilogue (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
>  12. What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
>  13. Stalling,cont'd (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
>  14. Re: What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s (Nate Stuart)
>  15. Washer Fluid Warning Light (Mike & Tanya Atkisson)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 10:17:18 -0600
>From: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>
>Organization: Istari Technologies
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired
>
>We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday.
>
>I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting
>the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues.
>
>After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing.  The
>normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead.  After going
>back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the
>low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side
>city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power.
>
>Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway
>driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more.  I have to go back
>in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part
>that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a
>connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car.
>
>My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch
>assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ?  The harness
>instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that
>the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector.
>
>I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag
>this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that
>would save me a bit of time.
>
>Charlie
>
>-- 
>Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At
>best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes,
>bathe, and not make messes in the house.
> - Lazarus Long
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>Message: 2
>From: hah at srv.net
>Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired
>To: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>
>Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:15 +0100
>
>>We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday.
>>
>>I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting
>>the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues.
>>
>>After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing.  The
>>normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead.  After going
>>back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the
>>low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side
>>city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power.
>>
>>Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway
>>driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more.  I have to go back
>>in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part
>>that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a
>>connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car.
>>
>>My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch
>>assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ?  The harness
>>instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that
>>the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector.
>>
>>I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag
>>this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that
>>would save me a bit of time.
>
>See http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html (yes, it's missing the "i" 
>in "light") - they are the same on each side.
>
>I'm not familiar with the Blau harness, but "city light instead of 
>highbeam" sure sounds like a mis-wired H4 to me. Ground and low/high 
>swapped, so high/low goes through both filaments?
>
>HTH
>Henry Harper
>http://www.srv.net/~hah
>1991 200 quattro, 112k
>1988 GTI 16v, 217k
>
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>Message: 3
>From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:20:45 EDT
>Subject: Re: [200q20v] Blau wiring harness for new Bosches seems miswired
>To: <charlie at istari.com>
>Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
>
>I think the connections are the same from side to side; why make two
connector parts?  
>
>See this page for a detailed answer and pics to help you out:
>http://www.sjmautotechnik.com/eurolght.html
>Chris
>
>
>
>In a message dated Mon, 2 Apr 2001  1:09:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com> writes:
>
><< We had a sunny weekend here, I popped the new units in on Sunday.
>
>I missed the warning ( was there one ? ) about the euro units hitting
>the battery jump terminal on the passenger side, among other issues.
>
>After finishing as the sun was going down, I began testing.  The
>normal beams seem OK, but the driver's high was dead.  After going
>back out in full dark to check out the road-going improvement of the
>low beams ( wonderful! ), I noticed that it wasn't the driver side
>city light that had been coming on, but the hi-beam at a low power.
>
>Since the lows seemed OK and they are good enough for normal highway
>driving, I haven't yet futzed with this any more.  I have to go back
>in and change out a last minute add-on to deal with the wrong part
>that Blau put in the harness for the city lights, they provided a
>connector for and described a plug that didn't exist on my car.
>
>My question here is are the plug contact positions in the Bosch
>assemblies the same on each side or mirror images ?  The harness
>instructions did not include a schematic and only mentioned that
>the blue and brown wires should be at the top of the connector.
>
>I threw my Fluke in the glove box and might get a chance to diag
>this for lunch today, but would appreciate any correct info that
>would save me a bit of time.
>
>Charlie
>
>-- 
>Anyone who cannot cope with Mathematics is not fully human. At
>best (he) is a tolerable sub-human who has learned to wear shoes,
>bathe, and not make messes in the house.
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>Message: 4
>From: Vztante at aol.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:34:40 EDT
>To: MartinGG at aetna.com, Vztante at aol.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: [200q20v] Re: RE : [200q20v]how do you like the IA stage 3?
>
>I'm loving the extra oomph.  It has made a very significant improvement 
>throughout the same power range. Ned Ritchie says that the torque comes on 
>strong at 2500 rpm. He doubts Audi's claim of the stock torque plateau 
>beginning at 1900 rpm. In other words, he said that with his chip, the 
>low-end kick is very close to or equally as low on the rpm band as on the 
>stock car. There isn't any difference according to my butt-o-meter. 
>
>The added power is a kick. In fact, I keep trying to think of excuses for 
>"errand runs." The down side is that driving a serious sleeper may get me 
>into trouble.  It's hard to resist surprising M3s, Mustangs and such when 
>given the all too infrequent opportunity.
>
>Ned uses his 200tq to tow his 450 hp 4000 race car to the track. He runs it 
>at higher boost, I believe with his stage 3+ or more (and different turbo?). 
>He'd be the guy to ask about which chip to use for such and such towing 
>capacity. He encouraged me to go with the Stage 3 verses the 3+, given that 
>the latter pushes the turbo to its maximum capacity, thus risking greater 
>wear and tear.  The 2 programs are rated at 277-280 hp, with the 3+ adding 
>more to the mid-range without loss down low.
>
>HTH,
>
>Mitch Frey
>'00 A6 2.7t
>'91 200tq20v IA Stage 3
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:57:09 -0600
>From: Charles Baer <charlie at istari.com>
>Organization: Istari Technologies
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: Re: RE : [200q20v] 20V's and other cars
>
>here be the current toys with wheels:
>
>'91 200q20v
>'84 4000S Quat
>'79 911SC (Euro lightweight,lowslung)
>'68 Triumph GT6+
>'99 F250SD (Moby Dick!)
>'91 CBR1000F
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:54:49 -0400
>From: copley one <copley at snet.net>
>To: chris miller <C1J1Miller at aol.com>,
>        200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
>Subject: [200q20v] [Fwd: Re: sources?]
>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: sources?
>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:47:38 -0400
>From: Aaron Traussi <acopley at snet.net>
>To: Copley One <copley at snet.net>
>
>The only sources I have would only have a large amount about a hundred
>but a
>good source and online would be http://www.bellmetric.com/ as well they are
>very "Euro" friendly
>
>
>On 4/2/01 4:45 PM, "copley one" <copley at snet.net> wrote:
>
>> Message: 13
>>  Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:47:52 -0400
>>  From: Peter Schulz <peschulz at cisco.com>
>> Subject: Those elusive copper crush washers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Found out the hard way this past weekend that it is best to start a job
>> requiring crush washers with an extra supply...
>> 
>> With the help of Chris Miller, I replaced the fuel pressure regulator on
>> 
>> the 200...of course when I ordered the replacement part, I neglected to
>> order the "sealing washers"..I hope to reuse the existing ones, which
>> promptly leaked. Found a NAPA that helped us out by breaking open the
>> package on a Bosch Fuel filter and giving us a set of washers.  Of
>> course
>> this also did not seal the banjo bolt on the fuel rail...Went to two
>> more
>> parts places to no avail....
>> 
>> I decided to push my luck, clean the area around the fuel rail
>> connection
>> with a file and emory board, and reuse the washers - luckily it held w/o
>> 
>> leaking fuel.  I ran a few subsequent high boost runs to ensure that it
>> was
>> indeed tight.
>> 
>> I will have to remove the washers again when I pull the injectors, but
>> want
>> to ensure that I have some extra washers on hand... which gets me to the
>> 
>> point of this email...
>> 
>> Other than the dealer, where can I get the myriad of crush washers that
>> the
>> cars need?  In this case the FA called for an A12 x 15.5...????
>> 
>> John, Scott, anybody - source recommendations?
>> 
>> TIA!!!
>> 
>> Peter Schulz
>> 1990 CQ
>> 1991 200 20v TQW
>> Chelmsford, MA USA
>> peschulz at cisco.com
>> 
>> 
>>
>
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>Message: 7
>From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
>To: <200q20v at audifans.com>
>Subject: RE: [200q20v] After-run fan.
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:39:58 -0600
>
>Does the same switch operate the after run fan as the turbo coolant pump?
>If so, does this fan/pump not running cause the turbo to "bake" after hard
>running in the winter time?
>--Calvin
>
>
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>Message: 8
>To: MikeMilr at blackfoot.net
>Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:42:55 -0600
>From: Edward J Kellock <ekellock at juno.com>
>Subject: [200q20v] empathies and apologies
>
>I believe that is my cue...
>
>I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently.
>I have reviewed my sent mail and found that 
>there was no inconsistency in his empathy.
>I apologize for my mistatement.
>
>Ed
>Colorado Springs
>
>On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
>writes:
>> 
>> mike miller
>> with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems
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>Message: 9
>From: "Alex Lee" <calexlee at us.ibm.com>
>Subject: re: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:34:43 -0600
>
>
>Currently:
>  91 200q20v sedan, pearl, 17X8 Speedline w/ 255/40-17
>  91 200q20v Avant, lago blue, 16X7 A6 wheels w/ 225/50-16
>  87 5000cstq Avant, pearl, Fuchs, IA chip + spring
>Sold a month ago:
>  86 5000cstq sedan, red, Fuchs
>
>-Alex Lee
> San Jose, Calif.
>
>
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>Message: 10
>From: C1J1Miller at aol.com
>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:18:35 EDT
>Subject: Re: [200q20v] empathies and apologies
>To: ekellock at juno.com, MikeMilr at blackfoot.net
>CC: 200q20v at audifans.com
>
>In a message dated 4/2/01 10:01:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>ekellock at juno.com writes:
>
>> I believe that is my cue...
>>  
>>  I incorrectly attributed a post to Mike recently.
>>  I have reviewed my sent mail and found that 
>>  there was no inconsistency in his empathy.
>>  I apologize for my mistatement.
>>  
>>  Ed
>>  Colorado Springs
>>  
>>  On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:37:33 -0600 "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
>>  writes:
>>  > 
>>  > mike miller
>>  > with inconsistent empathy for owner/dealer problems
>
>Hi Ed and Mike,
>Was probably my post that Ed recalls, and since I'm also a Miller, not a
hard 
>mistake for Ed to make.  (I wasn't very sensitive to this unknown guy's 
>problem, mainly due to what I perceived as inconsistencies in his story
about 
>buying a car without any oil in the crankcase).
>Chris
>
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>Message: 11
>From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:40:28 EDT
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: [200q20v] 20V's and other cars, Epilogue
>
>Well, I have certainly received many responses as to what other cars sit in 
>our respective stables. Not that I was at all surprised, but an overwhelming 
>majority of us own at least two Audi's, in some cases, you own several
Audi's.
>
>The list owns Audi's that span nearly two decades. Some of you have modified 
>4000 Quattros, 5000 Turbo Quattros, which makes up for the 80's cars, the 
>others own S-series Audi's from the 90's. I admit I am in the minority since 
>other 1990's Audi is (regrettably) not an S-series car. Still, it impresses 
>me that owners of newer, faster S-series cars continue to hang on to the 200 
>20V Quattro. Obviously the money is there for a more modern car, but I'd
love 
>to hear from any of you as to what keeps the 200 in your driveway despite
the 
>fact.
>
>Also, I would be remiss if I didn't comment on the muted VW fanatacism some 
>of you share. I can certainly understand it. My first car was an '82 
>Scirocco; my wife and I later owned a '94 Jetta that was totalled in an 
>accident (which is when we bought the '95 90). 
>
>Some of you also mentioned the minivan or SUV of your spouse, the respective 
>family hauler, and there are a couple of you with some American muscle cars 
>too. Otherwise, you guys are diehard German car fans, I seem to be the lone 
>British car owner with my MG. 
>
>Laziness on my behalf prevented me from putting together hard data, but I 
>think the above is a fair summary of what we drive. Thanks for your 
>participation!
>
>Tom
>
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>Message: 12
>From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:50:33 EDT
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s
>
>Presenting the most ignorant question of the year....
>
>I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with "Ur". 
>What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have 
>never seen it explained.
>
>Have any of you read the car reviews on Chris Miller's home page? Granted, 
>most of them say it is a great car, which it is, but are the performance 
>figures quoted accurate? Copied on one of the reviews is a 0-60mph
comparison 
>of the 200 20V with some pretty exotic company, including claims that the
200 
>can beat out a Ferrari 328GTS to 60mph, amoung others. The accompanied 
>article states the 200 can keep pace on the 1/4 mile with a Vette and a 
>Testarossa. Is there any truth to this?
>
>I'd be a liar if I said I never put my foot to the floor of my car, and yes, 
>the car is very quick, but it doesn't feel like I can take on a Ferrari.
Some 
>of you guys track your cars....ever come nose to nose with a car you'd never 
>expect to? Maybe the car is isolating me from the momentum, but is this
thing 
>really as fast as it is claimed to be?
>
>Tom
>
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>Message: 13
>From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:15:03 EDT
>To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>Subject: [200q20v] Stalling,cont'd
>
>For any of you who are still interested, I am actively taking notes on my 
>car's behavior as I prepare a visit to the dealer to hopefully put this 
>problem to rest. And to reiterate my previous point, I am not on some 
>witchhunt against my dealer; I just want this problem corrected, and to make 
>sure that I did not dump several hundreds of dollars into  the car, out of
my 
>pocket, for nothing.
>
>That said, the dealer indicated they wanted a mechanic to ride with me, to 
>see if I can replicate the problem for them. I am fearful that this will be 
>impossible to do. I have purposely tried to "simulate" situations in which I 
>think the car would stall, but any attempt I make on purpose fails.
>
>Some questions the dealer had was if the car makes any noise prior to the 
>stall. It doesn't. In fact, the stalling is so subdued that I only notice it 
>once the steering gets heavy, and I see the bank of idiot lights lit up. 
>Another question was if it happens when the car is cold. It can happen then, 
>and it can happen after I have been driving it for over an hour.
>
>What I have picked on is that it likes to stall upon sudden deceleration, 
>accompanied by a downshift. The one place I can almost count on my car 
>stalling out is entering the driveway to my company. If the light is
green, I 
>am usually travelling at 35-45mph, turn left to cross the road, downshift 
>into 2nd, and then the engine dies. This is the one instance in which the
car 
>consistently fails on me, and it is an especially dangerous place for it to 
>happen given the fast-moving traffic. 
>
>This convinces me that somewhere in that engine there is a vacuum leak that 
>is reacting to a sudden loss of revs that shuts the engine down, or sucks
out 
>enough air to cut the engine. 
>
>Naturally, when I come to the dealer next week, I'll tell them the same 
>symptoms, but I thought I would share some more details on the circumstances 
>of the stalling to see what you guys thought. Thanks for bearing with me!
>
>Tom
>
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>
>Message: 14
>From: "Nate Stuart" <nathan.stuart at maine.edu>
>To: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
>Subject: Re: [200q20v] What is Ur? and other dumb ?'s
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:45:10 -0400
>
>> Presenting the most ignorant question of the year....
>>
>> I frequently see several of you pre-empt your car's model number with
>"Ur".
>> What does that stand for? I'm sorry for such a dumb question, but I have
>> never seen it explained.
>
>Ur means original in German.
>
>-Nate
>'89 90q
>
>
>
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>Message: 15
>Reply-To: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" <matkisson at yahoo.com>
>From: "Mike & Tanya Atkisson" <matkisson at yahoo.com>
>To: "200TQ20V List" <200q20v at audifans.com>
>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:06:05 +0200
>Subject: [200q20v] Washer Fluid Warning Light
>
>I just did a tune up on my car today.  Cap, rotor, wires, spark plugs,
>afterrun fan sensor, and the hydraulic system suction hose.
>When I start the car now it tells me my washer fluid is low.  I went and
>added a gallon of fluid and it stills shows I am low.  Is there anything
>near where I was working that would go to the washer fluid warning system??
>Does anyone know where the sensor is on the fluid tank??  Since I have a
>German spec car the Euro lights block most of the fluid tank and I can't see
>the sensor.
>I thought this is kind of weird......anyone else experience something like
>this??
>Mike
>
>
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