[200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #255 - 9 msgs
Sidman
sidman at montereynet.net
Sat Feb 24 09:36:44 EST 2001
OK Fellas, here is the whole story. I discovered the car at
the dealer's in early December 1990; drove it, was
impressed, etc. I called a friend at Road & Track who raved
about it, but recommended I stall a bit because in
mid-December there was going to be a factory/dealer
teleconference at which the A series cars would be
announced. R&T had previously published its report on the
car and he sent me a copy. He also said they had conducted
their standard road test from R&T in LA to Marin County with
four similar cars. When time came to head home down the
coast, they drew straws to see who got to drive the TQ
wagon. He won, hence his rave review.
In mid-December the teleconference occurred, he called and
told me the dealer cost, I went to the sales manager, asked
him how he liked the A series teleconference, and offered
$35,000. Bingo, with slight adjustments, and I picked up the
car on Dec 20, 1990.
In just over ten years and 197,000 miles I have spent just
under $4,000 in maintenance. I do almost all work myself;
having gotten intimate with many aspects of the car. I have
done all the usual bits, including pumps and belts, bypass
valve, O2 sensor, breather hose, Euro lights, door handle
and window cable, a few head units, windshield, metal
radiator, suspension bushings, wiper motor, flap spring,
alt. brushes, valve cover gasket, etc. and a dash mounted
button to retrieve the codes.
Best car I have ever owned; safest, fastest, most gratifying
and comfy, and I hope to drive the wheels off it......
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> 1. Re: Sticker/Sales Price (George Sidman)
> 2. Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #253 - 7 msgs (Phil Rose)
> 3. Re: Sticker/Sales Price (Phil Rose)
> 4. Re: 91 200 20V $$ (Mike Miller)
> 5. Re: 91 200 20V $$ (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
> 6. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
> 7. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Paul Waterloo)
> 8. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Mike Miller)
> 9. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Phil Rose)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:07:06 -0800
> From: George Sidman <sidman at montereynet.net>
> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Subject: [200q20v] Re: Sticker/Sales Price
>
> My 91' TQ wagon sat at the dealer for some time. I waited
> until the A series cars were announced in early December of
> 1990 and then sprang the trap. The sticker was just over
> $45,000, and they sold it to me with 34 miles on it for
> $35,500. Not bragging -- just the facts, ma'am.......
> --
> George Sidman, President
> Nousoft, Inc. - Monterey Network Center
> www.nousoft.com - www.montereynet.net
> sidman at montereynet.net
> 9701 Blue Larkspur Lane
> Monterey, CA 93940
> 831 657-1510
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:28:49 -0500
> To: Hot =?iso-8859-1?Q?Grips=AE?= Jim Hollander <hotgrips at cyberportal.net>,
> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #253 - 7 msgs
>
> At 2:45 PM -0500 2/23/01, Hot Grips® Jim Hollander wrote:
> >$32,000.
> >
> >Jim
>
> Is that an offer? Sold!
> --
>
> Phil Rose
> Rochester, NY
> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:35:04 -0500
> To: George Sidman <sidman at montereynet.net>, 200q20v at audifans.com
> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: [200q20v] Re: Sticker/Sales Price
>
> At 6:07 PM -0800 2/23/01, George Sidman wrote:
> >My 91' TQ wagon sat at the dealer for some time. I waited
> >until the A series cars were announced in early December of
> >1990 and then sprang the trap.
>
> In December of _what_ year? The car mag reviews weren't even
> published on the '91 200q until Nov/Dec 1990.
>
> Phil
> --
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> Phil Rose
> Rochester, NY
> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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> Message: 4
> From: "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
> To: "Neil Vonhof" <nhv at citylinq.com>,
> "Mark Trank" <MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us>
> Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:43:49 -0700
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> Don't forget that back then this car had a 10% luxury tax attached to =
> it. Washington State used $42,400 as the MSRP for licensing purposes. My =
> tabs in 96 were over $650.
>
> mike miller
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Neil Vonhof=20
> To: Mark Trank=20
> Cc: '200q20v at audifans.com'=20
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
>
> My original sticker says:=20
> Factory Installed Options and Accessories: 890.00=20
> Destination Charge: 405.00=20
> Total: $45,445.00=20
> Gasoline, license, title fees, state and local taxes and dealer =
> installed accessories are not included.=20
> Sold by Prestige Imports, Inc.=20
> Lakewood, Colorado=20
> =20
> Mark Trank wrote:=20
>
> My invoice says $45,025, including destination and pearlescent white =
> paint=20
> option charges........=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: Kneale Brownson [mailto:knotnook at traverse.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:17 PM=20
> To: C1J1Miller at aol.com; hah at srv.net; chewy4000 at aol.com=20
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com=20
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$=20
>
> Window sticker in my car's glovebox says $42,205.00 including cold =
> weather=20
> package and pearl white paint.=20
>
> At 12:07 PM 02/23/2001 -0500, C1J1Miller at aol.com wrote:=20
>
> >I've got the sticker at home; perhaps I can scan it later and post it =
> on=20
> >my site.=20
> >Chris=20
> >=20
> >In a message dated Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:44:23 AM Eastern Standard =
> Time,=20
> >hah at srv.net writes:=20
> >=20
> ><< >How much did these cars go for at dealers when they came out?=20
> > >Just wondering what was MSRP or final price if anyone knows.=20
> > >=20
> >=20
> >Around $44-45k, IIRC. I don't have the sticker for mine, 4th owner.=20
> >=20
> >HTH=20
> >Henry=20
> >http://www.srv.net/~hah=20
> >1991 200 quattro, 112k, bamboo metallic/travertine, sport seats, no =
> phone,=20
> >no cd (OEM)=20
> >1988 GTI 16v, 216k, tornado red/black sport seats, no sunroof, no =
> power=20
> >accessories=20
> >_______________________________________________=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Don't forget that back then =
> this car had=20
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> MSRP for=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>mike miller</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:nhv at citylinq.com" title=3Dnhv at citylinq.com>Neil =
> Vonhof</A> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us"=20
> title=3DMTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us>Mark Trank</A> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:'200q20v at audifans.com'"=20
> title=3D200q20v at audifans.com>'200q20v at audifans.com'</A> </DIV>
> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 23, 2001 6:10 PM</DIV>
> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$</DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>My original sticker says: <BR>Factory Installed Options =
> and=20
> Accessories: 890.00 <BR>Destination=20
> Charge: =
> &=
> nbsp; &n=
> bsp; =20
> 405.00=20
> <BR>Total: &nb=
> sp; &nbs=
> p;  =
> ; =
> =20
> $45,445.00 <BR><I><FONT face=3DArial,Helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>Gasoline, =
> license,=20
> title fees, state and local taxes and dealer installed accessories are =
> not=20
> included.</FONT></FONT></I> <BR>Sold by Prestige Imports, Inc. =
> <BR>Lakewood,=20
> Colorado <BR><I><FONT face=3DArial,Helvetica><FONT=20
> size=3D-1></FONT></FONT></I> =20
> <P>Mark Trank wrote:=20
> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">My invoice says $45,025, including destination =
> and=20
> pearlescent white paint <BR>option charges........=20
> <P>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Kneale Brownson [<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:knotnook at traverse.com">mailto:knotnook at traverse.com</A>]=20
> <BR>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:17 PM <BR>To: =
> C1J1Miller at aol.com;=20
> hah at srv.net; chewy4000 at aol.com <BR>Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com =
> <BR>Subject: Re:=20
> [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$=20
> <P>Window sticker in my car's glovebox says $42,205.00 including cold =
> weather=20
> <BR>package and pearl white paint.=20
> <P>At 12:07 PM 02/23/2001 -0500, C1J1Miller at aol.com wrote:=20
> <P>>I've got the sticker at home; perhaps I can scan it later and =
> post it=20
> on <BR>>my site. <BR>>Chris <BR>> <BR>>In a message dated =
> Fri, 23=20
> Feb 2001 11:44:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>>hah at srv.net =
> writes:=20
> <BR>> <BR>><< >How much did these cars go for at =
> dealers when=20
> they came out? <BR>> >Just wondering what was MSRP or final =
> price if=20
> anyone knows. <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>>Around $44-45k, IIRC. I =
> don't=20
> have the sticker for mine, 4th owner. <BR>> <BR>>HTH =
> <BR>>Henry=20
> <BR>><A =
> href=3D"http://www.srv.net/~hah">http://www.srv.net/~hah</A>=20
> <BR>>1991 200 quattro, 112k, bamboo metallic/travertine, sport =
> seats, no=20
> phone, <BR>>no cd (OEM) <BR>>1988 GTI 16v, 216k, tornado =
> red/black sport=20
> seats, no sunroof, no power <BR>>accessories=20
> <BR>>_______________________________________________ =
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> Message: 5
> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:48:51 EST
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
> To: Chewy4000 at aol.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>
> >From the original road tests I have read, these cars retailed at $44,000.
> Tom
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> Message: 6
> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:45:53 EST
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
> To: grega at pobox.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>
> Hmm, it appears we have a psychic on the list...
>
> Yes, the Audi dealer in question is Continental Audi of Fairfield, CT. When I
> was told the cause of the bouncing speedo was the printed computer board, and
> once I heard the cost, I at first thought to just live with the problem.
>
> One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, which
> the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That being the case,
> I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into
> third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does not appeal
> to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you can
> be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all that
> money.
>
> Plus, I have no mechanical experience whatsoever. I own an MG, which is a
> pretty simple car, and even that daunts me, so I would be crazy to even lay a
> hand on such a complex car such as this one. Well, all debating aside, let's
> just see if the dealer called it right, and we'll go from there....
>
> Tom
>
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> Message: 7
> From: "Paul Waterloo" <pwaterloo at compuserve.com>
> To: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>, "200 list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:32:52 -0600
>
> Tom-
>
> I can't believe that fixing the bouncing speedo will fix the stalling
> problem.....never heard that before!
>
> Paul
> _____________________________________________________
> Paul Waterloo
> Applied Energy Services
> Phone 708-524-9464
> Fax 708-524-0079
> Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>
> To: <grega at pobox.com>; <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>
> >
> > Hmm, it appears we have a psychic on the list...
> >
> > Yes, the Audi dealer in question is Continental Audi of Fairfield, CT.
> When I
> > was told the cause of the bouncing speedo was the printed computer board,
> and
> > once I heard the cost, I at first thought to just live with the problem.
> >
> > One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, which
> > the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That being the
> case,
> > I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into
> > third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does not
> appeal
> > to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you
> can
> > be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all that
> > money.
> >
> > Plus, I have no mechanical experience whatsoever. I own an MG, which is a
> > pretty simple car, and even that daunts me, so I would be crazy to even
> lay a
> > hand on such a complex car such as this one. Well, all debating aside,
> let's
> > just see if the dealer called it right, and we'll go from there....
> >
> > Tom
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 8
> From: "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
> To: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:50:48 -0700
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> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com=20
>
> One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, =
> which=20
> the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That being the =
> case,=20
> I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into =
>
> third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does not =
> appeal=20
> to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you =
> can=20
> be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all =
> that=20
> money.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> -------
>
> I thought I addressed this in my last post on this subject.=20
> >From the sound of this, it is a turbo bypass valve. Many of us have had =
> this problem at least once. I was one of the early ones and I now have =
> it again occasionally. About $40 for the part and I know it took me =
> less than 20 mins to put it in last time. Smyptoms of a bad turbo bypass =
> valve are when you lift the throttle and the cars just dies. The tach =
> just falls right to 0. On mine, it is more likley to happen if I am =
> coming off of boost, but it will happen even if cruising at steady speed =
> and pushing in the clutch.=20
>
> I would be very interested to hear the dealers explanation of how a =
> bouncing speedo or anything on that board can cause the car to stall. I =
> am not syaing that he is wrong - I am just curious how the two could =
> possibly be related.
>
> mike miller
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:Tomsaudi200 at aol.com"=20
> title=3DTomsaudi200 at aol.com>Tomsaudi200 at aol.com</A> </DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><BR>One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling =
> problem,=20
> which <BR>the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That =
> being=20
> the case, <BR>I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while=20
> downshifting into <BR>third in one of the most congested highways in =
> America=20
> simply does not appeal <BR>to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that =
> does not=20
> cure the problem,you can <BR>be assured I will raise holy hell with the =
> dealer=20
> after spending all that <BR>money.</DIV>
> <DIV>
> <HR>
> <BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I thought I addressed this in =
> my last post=20
> on this subject. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>From the sound of this, it is =
> a turbo=20
> bypass valve. Many of us have had this problem at least once. I was one =
> of the=20
> early ones and I now have it again occasionally. About $40 for the =
> part=20
> and I know it took me less than 20 mins to put it in last time. Smyptoms =
> of a=20
> bad turbo bypass valve are when you lift the throttle and the cars just =
> dies.=20
> The tach just falls right to 0. On mine, it is more likley to =
> happen if I=20
> am coming off of boost, but it will happen even if cruising at steady =
> speed and=20
> pushing in the clutch. </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I would be very interested to =
> hear the=20
> dealers explanation of how a bouncing speedo or anything on that board =
> can cause=20
> the car to stall. I am not syaing that he is wrong - I am just=20
> curious how the two could possibly be related.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>mike =
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> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:05:50 -0500
> To: "Paul Waterloo" <pwaterloo at compuserve.com>, <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>,
> "200 list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>
> At 1:32 AM -0600 2/24/01, Paul Waterloo wrote:
> >Tom-
> >
> >I can't believe that fixing the bouncing speedo will fix the stalling
> >problem.....never heard that before!
> >
> >Paul
>
> Neither have I. I don't know if Tom (or the dealer) has checked for a
> defective bypass valve (or its vac hose), but that would be one of
> the first things I'd suspect for stalling while off-throttle.
>
> Phil
> --
>
> Phil Rose
> Rochester, NY
> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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