[200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #255 - 9 msgs
Phil Rose
pjrose at frontiernet.net
Sat Feb 24 12:57:11 EST 2001
Nice story, and...a good deal! Can I get you to come along when I'm
ready to negotiate for my next new car? :-)
Phil
At 9:36 AM +0000 2/24/01, Sidman wrote:
>OK Fellas, here is the whole story. I discovered the car at
>the dealer's in early December 1990; drove it, was
>impressed, etc. I called a friend at Road & Track who raved
>about it, but recommended I stall a bit because in
>mid-December there was going to be a factory/dealer
>teleconference at which the A series cars would be
>announced. R&T had previously published its report on the
>car and he sent me a copy. He also said they had conducted
>their standard road test from R&T in LA to Marin County with
>four similar cars. When time came to head home down the
>coast, they drew straws to see who got to drive the TQ
>wagon. He won, hence his rave review.
>
>In mid-December the teleconference occurred, he called and
>told me the dealer cost, I went to the sales manager, asked
>him how he liked the A series teleconference, and offered
>$35,000. Bingo, with slight adjustments, and I picked up the
>car on Dec 20, 1990.
>
>In just over ten years and 197,000 miles I have spent just
>under $4,000 in maintenance. I do almost all work myself;
>having gotten intimate with many aspects of the car. I have
>done all the usual bits, including pumps and belts, bypass
>valve, O2 sensor, breather hose, Euro lights, door handle
>and window cable, a few head units, windshield, metal
>radiator, suspension bushings, wiper motor, flap spring,
>alt. brushes, valve cover gasket, etc. and a dash mounted
>button to retrieve the codes.
>
>Best car I have ever owned; safest, fastest, most gratifying
>and comfy, and I hope to drive the wheels off it......
>
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>> 1. Re: Sticker/Sales Price (George Sidman)
>> 2. Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #253 - 7 msgs (Phil Rose)
>> 3. Re: Sticker/Sales Price (Phil Rose)
>> 4. Re: 91 200 20V $$ (Mike Miller)
>> 5. Re: 91 200 20V $$ (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
>> 6. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Tomsaudi200 at aol.com)
>> 7. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Paul Waterloo)
>> 8. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Mike Miller)
>> 9. Re: 1st trip to dealer (Phil Rose)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:07:06 -0800
>> From: George Sidman <sidman at montereynet.net>
>> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>> Subject: [200q20v] Re: Sticker/Sales Price
>>
>> My 91' TQ wagon sat at the dealer for some time. I waited
>> until the A series cars were announced in early December of
>> 1990 and then sprang the trap. The sticker was just over
>> $45,000, and they sold it to me with 34 miles on it for
>> $35,500. Not bragging -- just the facts, ma'am.......
>> --
>> George Sidman, President
>> Nousoft, Inc. - Monterey Network Center
>> www.nousoft.com - www.montereynet.net
>> sidman at montereynet.net
>> 9701 Blue Larkspur Lane
>> Monterey, CA 93940
>> 831 657-1510
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:28:49 -0500
>> To: Hot =?iso-8859-1?Q?Grips=AE?= Jim Hollander <hotgrips at cyberportal.net>,
>> <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: [200q20v] Re: 200q20v digest, Vol 1 #253 - 7 msgs
>>
>> At 2:45 PM -0500 2/23/01, Hot Grips® Jim Hollander wrote:
>> >$32,000.
>> >
>> >Jim
>>
>> Is that an offer? Sold!
>> --
>>
>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:35:04 -0500
>> To: George Sidman <sidman at montereynet.net>, 200q20v at audifans.com
> > From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: [200q20v] Re: Sticker/Sales Price
>>
>> At 6:07 PM -0800 2/23/01, George Sidman wrote:
>> >My 91' TQ wagon sat at the dealer for some time. I waited
>> >until the A series cars were announced in early December of
>> >1990 and then sprang the trap.
>>
>> In December of _what_ year? The car mag reviews weren't even
>> published on the '91 200q until Nov/Dec 1990.
>>
>> Phil
>> --
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>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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>> Message: 4
>> From: "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
>> To: "Neil Vonhof" <nhv at citylinq.com>,
>> "Mark Trank" <MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us>
>> Cc: <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
>> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:43:49 -0700
>>
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>> Don't forget that back then this car had a 10% luxury tax attached to =
>> it. Washington State used $42,400 as the MSRP for licensing purposes. My =
>> tabs in 96 were over $650.
>>
>> mike miller
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: Neil Vonhof=20
>> To: Mark Trank=20
>> Cc: '200q20v at audifans.com'=20
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
>>
>> My original sticker says:=20
>> Factory Installed Options and Accessories: 890.00=20
>> Destination Charge: 405.00=20
>> Total: $45,445.00=20
>> Gasoline, license, title fees, state and local taxes and dealer =
>> installed accessories are not included.=20
>> Sold by Prestige Imports, Inc.=20
>> Lakewood, Colorado=20
>> =20
>> Mark Trank wrote:=20
>>
>> My invoice says $45,025, including destination and pearlescent white =
>> paint=20
>> option charges........=20
>> -----Original Message-----=20
>> From: Kneale Brownson [mailto:knotnook at traverse.com]=20
>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:17 PM=20
>> To: C1J1Miller at aol.com; hah at srv.net; chewy4000 at aol.com=20
>> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com=20
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$=20
>>
>> Window sticker in my car's glovebox says $42,205.00 including cold =
>> weather=20
>> package and pearl white paint.=20
>>
>> At 12:07 PM 02/23/2001 -0500, C1J1Miller at aol.com wrote:=20
>>
>> >I've got the sticker at home; perhaps I can scan it later and post it =
>> on=20
>> >my site.=20
>> >Chris=20
>> >=20
>> >In a message dated Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:44:23 AM Eastern Standard =
>> Time,=20
>> >hah at srv.net writes:=20
>> >=20
>> ><< >How much did these cars go for at dealers when they came out?=20
>> > >Just wondering what was MSRP or final price if anyone knows.=20
>> > >=20
>> >=20
>> >Around $44-45k, IIRC. I don't have the sticker for mine, 4th owner.=20
>> >=20
>> >HTH=20
>> >Henry=20
>> >http://www.srv.net/~hah=20
>> >1991 200 quattro, 112k, bamboo metallic/travertine, sport seats, no =
>> phone,=20
>> >no cd (OEM)=20
>> >1988 GTI 16v, 216k, tornado red/black sport seats, no sunroof, no =
>> power=20
>> >accessories=20
>> >_______________________________________________=20
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>> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Don't forget that back then =
>> this car had=20
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>> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>mike miller</FONT></DIV>
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>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
>> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:nhv at citylinq.com" title=3Dnhv at citylinq.com>Neil =
>> Vonhof</A> </DIV>
>> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:MTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us"=20
>> title=3DMTrank at exch.co.albemarle.va.us>Mark Trank</A> </DIV>
>> <DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:'200q20v at audifans.com'"=20
>> title=3D200q20v at audifans.com>'200q20v at audifans.com'</A> </DIV>
>> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 23, 2001 6:10 PM</DIV>
>> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$</DIV></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR></DIV>My original sticker says: <BR>Factory Installed Options =
>> and=20
>> Accessories: 890.00 <BR>Destination=20
>> Charge: =
>> &=
>> nbsp; &n=
>> bsp; =20
>> 405.00=20
>> <BR>Total: &nb=
>> sp; &nbs=
>> p;  =
>> ; =
>> =20
>> $45,445.00 <BR><I><FONT face=3DArial,Helvetica><FONT size=3D-1>Gasoline, =
>> license,=20
>> title fees, state and local taxes and dealer installed accessories are =
>> not=20
>> included.</FONT></FONT></I> <BR>Sold by Prestige Imports, Inc. =
>> <BR>Lakewood,=20
>> Colorado <BR><I><FONT face=3DArial,Helvetica><FONT=20
>> size=3D-1></FONT></FONT></I> =20
>> <P>Mark Trank wrote:=20
>> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">My invoice says $45,025, including destination =
>> and=20
>> pearlescent white paint <BR>option charges........=20
>> <P>-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Kneale Brownson [<A=20
>> =
>> href=3D"mailto:knotnook at traverse.com">mailto:knotnook at traverse.com</A>]=20
>> <BR>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:17 PM <BR>To: =
>> C1J1Miller at aol.com;=20
>> hah at srv.net; chewy4000 at aol.com <BR>Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com =
>> <BR>Subject: Re:=20
>> [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$=20
>> <P>Window sticker in my car's glovebox says $42,205.00 including cold =
>> weather=20
>> <BR>package and pearl white paint.=20
>> <P>At 12:07 PM 02/23/2001 -0500, C1J1Miller at aol.com wrote:=20
>> <P>>I've got the sticker at home; perhaps I can scan it later and =
>> post it=20
>> on <BR>>my site. <BR>>Chris <BR>> <BR>>In a message dated =
>> Fri, 23=20
>> Feb 2001 11:44:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>>hah at srv.net =
>> writes:=20
>> <BR>> <BR>><< >How much did these cars go for at =
>> dealers when=20
>> they came out? <BR>> >Just wondering what was MSRP or final =
>> price if=20
>> anyone knows. <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>>Around $44-45k, IIRC. I =
>> don't=20
>> have the sticker for mine, 4th owner. <BR>> <BR>>HTH =
>> <BR>>Henry=20
>> <BR>><A =
>> href=3D"http://www.srv.net/~hah">http://www.srv.net/~hah</A>=20
>> <BR>>1991 200 quattro, 112k, bamboo metallic/travertine, sport =
>> seats, no=20
>> phone, <BR>>no cd (OEM) <BR>>1988 GTI 16v, 216k, tornado =
>> red/black sport=20
>> seats, no sunroof, no power <BR>>accessories=20
>> <BR>>_______________________________________________ =
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>> Message: 5
>> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:48:51 EST
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 91 200 20V $$
>> To: Chewy4000 at aol.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>>
>> >From the original road tests I have read, these cars retailed at $44,000.
>> Tom
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:45:53 EST
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>> To: grega at pobox.com, 200q20v at audifans.com
>>
>> Hmm, it appears we have a psychic on the list...
>>
>> Yes, the Audi dealer in question is Continental Audi of Fairfield,
>>CT. When I
>> was told the cause of the bouncing speedo was the printed computer
>>board, and
>> once I heard the cost, I at first thought to just live with the problem.
>>
>> One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, which
>> the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That
>>being the case,
>> I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into
>> third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does
>>not appeal
>> to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you can
>> be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all that
>> money.
>>
>> Plus, I have no mechanical experience whatsoever. I own an MG, which is a
>> pretty simple car, and even that daunts me, so I would be crazy to
>>even lay a
>> hand on such a complex car such as this one. Well, all debating aside, let's
>> just see if the dealer called it right, and we'll go from there....
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> --__--__--
>>
>> Message: 7
>> From: "Paul Waterloo" <pwaterloo at compuserve.com>
>> To: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>, "200 list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:32:52 -0600
>>
>> Tom-
>>
>> I can't believe that fixing the bouncing speedo will fix the stalling
>> problem.....never heard that before!
>>
>> Paul
>> _____________________________________________________
>> Paul Waterloo
>> Applied Energy Services
>> Phone 708-524-9464
>> Fax 708-524-0079
>> Voicemail/pager 888-962-7304
>> pwaterloo at compuserve.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>
>> To: <grega at pobox.com>; <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>>
>> >
>> > Hmm, it appears we have a psychic on the list...
>> >
>> > Yes, the Audi dealer in question is Continental Audi of Fairfield, CT.
>> When I
>> > was told the cause of the bouncing speedo was the printed computer board,
>> and
>> > once I heard the cost, I at first thought to just live with the problem.
>> >
>> > One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, which
>> > the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That being the
>> case,
>> > I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into
>> > third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does not
>> appeal
>> > to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you
>> can
>> > be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all that
>> > money.
>> >
>> > Plus, I have no mechanical experience whatsoever. I own an MG, which is a
>> > pretty simple car, and even that daunts me, so I would be crazy to even
>> lay a
>> > hand on such a complex car such as this one. Well, all debating aside,
>> let's
>> > just see if the dealer called it right, and we'll go from there....
>> >
>> > Tom
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 8
>> From: "Mike Miller" <MikeMilr at blackfoot.net>
>> To: <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>, <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:50:48 -0700
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>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: Tomsaudi200 at aol.com=20
>>
>> One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling problem, =
>> which=20
>> the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That being the =
>> case,=20
>> I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while downshifting into =
>>
>> third in one of the most congested highways in America simply does not =
>> appeal=20
>> to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that does not cure the problem,you =
>> can=20
>> be assured I will raise holy hell with the dealer after spending all =
>> that=20
>> money.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>> -------
>>
>> I thought I addressed this in my last post on this subject.=20
>> >From the sound of this, it is a turbo bypass valve. Many of us have had =
>> this problem at least once. I was one of the early ones and I now have =
>> it again occasionally. About $40 for the part and I know it took me =
>> less than 20 mins to put it in last time. Smyptoms of a bad turbo bypass =
>> valve are when you lift the throttle and the cars just dies. The tach =
>> just falls right to 0. On mine, it is more likley to happen if I am =
>> coming off of boost, but it will happen even if cruising at steady speed =
>> and pushing in the clutch.=20
>>
>> I would be very interested to hear the dealers explanation of how a =
>> bouncing speedo or anything on that board can cause the car to stall. I =
>> am not syaing that he is wrong - I am just curious how the two could =
>> possibly be related.
>>
>> mike miller
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>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
>> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:Tomsaudi200 at aol.com"=20
>> title=3DTomsaudi200 at aol.com>Tomsaudi200 at aol.com</A> </DIV></DIV>
>> <DIV><BR>One point that seems to have been lost here was my stalling =
>> problem,=20
>> which <BR>the dealer said is tied into the printed computer board. That =
>> being=20
>> the case, <BR>I decided there was no alternative. Stalling out while=20
>> downshifting into <BR>third in one of the most congested highways in =
>> America=20
>> simply does not appeal <BR>to me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, if that =
>> does not=20
>> cure the problem,you can <BR>be assured I will raise holy hell with the =
>> dealer=20
>> after spending all that <BR>money.</DIV>
>> <DIV>
>> <HR>
>> <BR><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I thought I addressed this in =
>> my last post=20
>> on this subject. </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>From the sound of this, it is =
>> a turbo=20
>> bypass valve. Many of us have had this problem at least once. I was one =
>> of the=20
>> early ones and I now have it again occasionally. About $40 for the =
>> part=20
>> and I know it took me less than 20 mins to put it in last time. Smyptoms =
>> of a=20
>> bad turbo bypass valve are when you lift the throttle and the cars just =
>> dies.=20
>> The tach just falls right to 0. On mine, it is more likley to =
>> happen if I=20
>> am coming off of boost, but it will happen even if cruising at steady =
>> speed and=20
>> pushing in the clutch. </FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I would be very interested to =
> > hear the=20
>> dealers explanation of how a bouncing speedo or anything on that board =
>> can cause=20
>> the car to stall. I am not syaing that he is wrong - I am just=20
>> curious how the two could possibly be related.</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV> </DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>mike =
>> miller</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:05:50 -0500
>> To: "Paul Waterloo" <pwaterloo at compuserve.com>, <Tomsaudi200 at aol.com>,
>> "200 list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: Re: [200q20v] 1st trip to dealer
>>
>> At 1:32 AM -0600 2/24/01, Paul Waterloo wrote:
>> >Tom-
>> >
>> >I can't believe that fixing the bouncing speedo will fix the stalling
>> >problem.....never heard that before!
>> >
>> >Paul
>>
>> Neither have I. I don't know if Tom (or the dealer) has checked for a
>> defective bypass valve (or its vac hose), but that would be one of
>> the first things I'd suspect for stalling while off-throttle.
>>
>> Phil
>> --
>>
>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
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