[200q20v] Re: [V8] Ford sans 4th gear (no Audi)

[Larry C Leung]

Treating the Sable beater just the same. Pondering what tires to get for
inspection. Only problems in it's life is (currently) the heater core,
A/C system sealing. Everything else (not much) we (my parent's or I) have
caused, the worst was backing up out of the garage with the hatch (it's a
wagon) open. Oops. Of course I wonder about it's rear collision strength
when my dad was able to unfold it and make it look right again without
any paint.

LL - NY

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:43:06 -0500 "Coleman, David"
<David.Coleman at blackrock.com> writes:
>I realize this is not a Ford list... but it's topical.
>
>My '92 Aerostar 3.0 4x2 tow vehicle w/ 95k has been oddly reliable as
>well... the best shocks and michelins Sears has to offer, along w/ a
>serp belt, was the only fix/upgrades I've done since 60k.  Just
>yesterday the trans started slipping badly (about the time the Taurus
>trans post came up), but it ended up that a hose popped off the
>aftermarket trans cooler I installed 3 years ago.  Tightened all
>clamps,
>filled up w/ synth atf, and it's shifting better than ever.   Of
>course,
>Dave's 100k Explorer trans has me nervous again.
>
>The end point being that I am seriously considering trading it in on
>another Furd van/suv thing.  Since I primarily direct my auto
>maintenance attention to the Audi, I tend to neglect the workhorse
>somewhat.  Odd folks, those Ford gods.
>
>-dc
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dsaad at icehouse.net [mailto:dsaad at icehouse.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:51 AM
>> To: Michael L. Riebs
>> Cc: duane at zk3.dec.com; Buchholz, Steven; v8 at audifans.com;
>> Quattro List;
>> 200q20v at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: [V8] Ford sans 4th gear
>>
>>
>> Apparently, my '93 explorer did better than average when the
>> transmission
>> lasted all the way to 100k miles. $2k later it is as good as new.
>> While overall this has been a very reliable car, and this has
>> been the only
>> real expense, it still irritates me that it could have been a
>> great rig if ford
>> would have only made minor and cheap changes. eg:
>>
>> - put on actual shocks that last more than one trip down the
>driveway
>> - design and layout so that all normal maintenance items can
>> be reached without
>> removing the engine
>> - use electrical connectors that do not break when you remove them
>> - spend some time refining the engine control software
>>
>> none of these items would have changed the cost of building
>> the car, but it
>> would make ownership much more satisfying.
>>
>> Since I do almost all the repairs on my cars, I really
>> appriceate how things
>> are laid out on the V8. I can't say that about the explorer.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Quoting "Michael L. Riebs" <michael at 1stchoicegranite.com>:
>>
>> > Wait....
>> > You are already Audi owners, right???
>> > Well, you should have known better than to buy American
>> cheapo's then.
>> > Or
>> > Japanese rice boilers. There's such a thing as "planned
>obsoletion",
>> > which
>> > is what keeps Americans replacing their stuff every 2 - 5
>> years. If you
>> > want
>> > a quality, long-lasting product - buy German or Swedish (of
>course
>> > that's
>> > American too, now...)
>> >
>> > Michael Riebs
>> > Grand Rapids, MI
>> > '90 V8Q (#7)
>> > '98 A6Q Avant (#6)
>> > Only 6 & 7 remain.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Andrew Duane USG" <duane at hunch.zk3.dec.com>
>> > To: "Buchholz, Steven" <Steven.Buchholz at kla-tencor.com>
>> > Cc: <v8 at audifans.com>; "Quattro List" <quattro at audifans.com>;
>> > <200q20v at audifans.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:32 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [V8] RE: Bose recall
>> >
>> >
>> > > Hairy green toads from Mars made Buchholz, Steven say:
>> > >
>> > > > It seems like the government is already in the process
>> of working
>> > out a
>> > > > recall with Audi.  I really wonder how many people here
>> have shared
>> > their
>> > > > concerns with the NHTSA using the standard reporting method.
>I
>> > suspect
>> > very
>> > > > few folks here actually have ... and if that is the
>> case, who else
>> > cares
>> > > > about fixing a problem on an old Audi?
>> > >
>> > > Well, don't hold your breath.
>> > >
>> > > Recently, we bought a car for our daughter, who is 16.5, and
>just
>> > > getting her license. Actually, she made her first solo drive
>> > > yesterday!
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, based on the fact that it got good safety ratings, and
>is
>> > > about the most sold car in the world, we bought a recent
>> Ford Taurus.
>> > > They've sold 25 million of these, they have to be decent,
>right???
>> > >
>> > > Well, it turns out that since 1992, the automatic trannies Ford
>> > > and Mercury has been putting into these cars and others like
>them
>> > > have suffered a 20% mortality rate! There is a TSB about them
>> > > losing 4th gear. Just disappears due to an internal fault that
>> > > Ford has known about for 8 years!
>> > >
>> > > Recall? Hardly! Help with the repair? Must be dreaming!
>> > >
>> > > $2100 for a new tranny in a 5 year old car :-(
>> > >
>> > > So, we're pursuing the last remedy we have, a class
>> action lawsuit.
>> > >
>> > > Sorry, it's in the shop today getting the new tranny, and I had
>to
>> > vent.
>> > > This is the first Ford we've ever bought. Count on it
>> being the last.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Andrew L. Duane (JOT-7) duane at zk3.dec.com
>> > > Compaq Computer Corporation (603)-884-1294
>> > > 110 Spit Brook Road
>> > > M/S ZKO3-3/U14
>> > > Nashua, NH    03062-2698
>> > >
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