New Member, Not a new Audi owner

[Mike Sylvester]

Chris,
I have a WX 10v turbo engine from my UrQ that I will swap into your 200 for
free, since that 20v is so costly to maintain.  I will also give you new
injectors, spark plugs and clutch assy in the deal.  That sounds like a good
"upgrade", doesn't it?

Mike Sylvester
'91 200q20v avant    w/UFO
'83 UrQ
'01 A6 2.7t

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Covington" <malth at umich.edu>
To: "Bernie Benz" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
Cc: "200q20V mailing list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner


> Though I cannot answer that question, because I do not agree that it
> is a downgrade, again the fat wallet issue arises - from my understanding,
> you pay more for the UFO system Porsche upgrade then you do for the G60
> system Porsche upgrade.
> Also, I would not have been able to live WITHOUT the free brake swap for
> many years (I had bad UFO rotors and pads, and worn struts), thus I
> would've spent more to maintain the UFOs, had to have purchased new
> struts, AND if I were to upgrade later to Porsche brakes, I would be
> paying more again.
>
> Hey I applaud you, it's great that you have such a fat wallet and choose
> to maintain your Audi that way, but I choose not to.  I define a
> "downgrade" as a waste of money, not by a theoretical brake torque
> advantage.  The same size G60 pad and rotor were factory-backed &
> installed in the V8, the S4/S6 (though that might have a slightly
> different sized rotor), so I didn't consider the swap such a horrible
> deed.
>
> My G60 swap was an "upgrade."
>
> Chris
> '91 200q20v
>
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
>
> > So, you've lived with your free brake downgrade for how many years,
because
> > you may at some point in the future spring for an expensive brake
upgrade,
> > which is now available for the UFO system also?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > > From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
> > > To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > > Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > > Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > >
> > > Oh, and another plus of going with the G60 free swapout is that not
only
> > > do you get a new front braking system, and struts, but you also get a
> > > cheaper / more hassle-free upgrade path to Porsche brakes.  All that
for
> > > free.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > '91 200q20v
> > >
> > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris,  In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new
pads for
> > >> my UFOs, that's all.  So, the G60s were a free downgrade!  Was that
good?
> > >> Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.
> > >>
> > >> Bernie
> > >>
> > >>> From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> > >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
> > >>> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > >>> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>, 200q20V mailing
list
> > >>> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > >>>
> > >>> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to
afford the
> > >>> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s.  So when the
G60s
> > >>> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new
struts,
> > >>> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
> > >>> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
> > >>> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
> > >>>
> > >>> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more
like
> > >>> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.
But
> > >>> I don't.
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris
> > >>> '91 200q20v
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Not suprising.  I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s
because of
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter,
piston
> > >>>> area remains the same.  Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque
and
> > >>>> heat
> > >>>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but
paying for,
> > >>>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
> > >>>> comprehension.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Bernie
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> > >>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
> > >>>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > >>>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.
Ultimately
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake
smoothly and
> > >>>>> consistently.  And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive.  That's
why it
> > >>>>> was
> > >>>>> changed under warranty.  I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4
either but
> > >>>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm
pedal
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>> fairly strong stopping power.  I just wouldn't trust them at the
track.
> > >>>>> But
> > >>>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget
will allow
> > >>>>> it.  The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at prodigy.net]
> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
> > >>>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
> > >>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Two comments, Dave.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade,
not an
> > >>>>> upgrade in braking performance.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Rotary shaft seals:  If a seal is leaking and no other internal
symptoms,
> > >>>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the
rear end,
> > >>>>> and the other half into the tranny.  Of course this works on
engine shaft
> > >>>>> seals also.  Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Bernie
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
> > >>>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > >>>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
> > >>>>>> understand
> > >>>>>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me)
'91 200
> > >>>>> TQ
> > >>>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago)
with Grey
> > >>>>>> leather and 114,000 miles.  The body and interior are in
excellent shape
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a
Hoppen
> > >>>>> chip.
> > >>>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because
I also
> > >>>>> own
> > >>>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list.  I've include my original
post to
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Here's my problem:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal.  Is
this a
> > >>>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost
big bucks?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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