New Member, Not a new Audi owner

[Chris Covington]

Hah, no that won't work because the 10VT was never offered after the 20VT.
;)  And also, my 20VT doesn't need replacement like my UFOs, pads and
struts did.

Chris
'91 200q20v


On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Mike Sylvester wrote:

> Chris,
> I have a WX 10v turbo engine from my UrQ that I will swap into your 200 for
> free, since that 20v is so costly to maintain.  I will also give you new
> injectors, spark plugs and clutch assy in the deal.  That sounds like a good
> "upgrade", doesn't it?
>
> Mike Sylvester
> '91 200q20v avant    w/UFO
> '83 UrQ
> '01 A6 2.7t
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Covington" <malth at umich.edu>
> To: "Bernie Benz" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> Cc: "200q20V mailing list" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
>
>
> > Though I cannot answer that question, because I do not agree that it
> > is a downgrade, again the fat wallet issue arises - from my understanding,
> > you pay more for the UFO system Porsche upgrade then you do for the G60
> > system Porsche upgrade.
> > Also, I would not have been able to live WITHOUT the free brake swap for
> > many years (I had bad UFO rotors and pads, and worn struts), thus I
> > would've spent more to maintain the UFOs, had to have purchased new
> > struts, AND if I were to upgrade later to Porsche brakes, I would be
> > paying more again.
> >
> > Hey I applaud you, it's great that you have such a fat wallet and choose
> > to maintain your Audi that way, but I choose not to.  I define a
> > "downgrade" as a waste of money, not by a theoretical brake torque
> > advantage.  The same size G60 pad and rotor were factory-backed &
> > installed in the V8, the S4/S6 (though that might have a slightly
> > different sized rotor), so I didn't consider the swap such a horrible
> > deed.
> >
> > My G60 swap was an "upgrade."
> >
> > Chris
> > '91 200q20v
> >
> > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> >
> > > So, you've lived with your free brake downgrade for how many years,
> because
> > > you may at some point in the future spring for an expensive brake
> upgrade,
> > > which is now available for the UFO system also?
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > > From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > > > Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and another plus of going with the G60 free swapout is that not
> only
> > > > do you get a new front braking system, and struts, but you also get a
> > > > cheaper / more hassle-free upgrade path to Porsche brakes.  All that
> for
> > > > free.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > '91 200q20v
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Chris,  In 100K I've spent a whole $65. (too much, I admit) for new
> pads for
> > > >> my UFOs, that's all.  So, the G60s were a free downgrade!  Was that
> good?
> > > >> Even if it was $2K worth of downgrade parts.
> > > >>
> > > >> Bernie
> > > >>
> > > >>> From: Chris Covington <malth at umich.edu>
> > > >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
> > > >>> To: Bernie Benz <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > > >>> Cc: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>, 200q20V mailing
> list
> > > >>> <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > > >>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bernie, not everyone has as fat a wallet as yours and likes to
> afford the
> > > >>> more expensive maintenance on the UFOs vs. the G60s.  So when the
> G60s
> > > >>> were a free switchout, and came with free new hardware (incl. new
> struts,
> > > >>> pads, rotors, calipers, etc. - those all add up to some serious $$$
> > > >>> saved) vs. however many miles one had on their UFOs and the other
> > > >>> associated components, I didn't have a problem with that.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I guess if I had the fat wallet syndrome and liked to spend more
> like
> > > >>> you, then I'd be fine with keeping the UFOs, worn struts, pads, etc.
> But
> > > >>> I don't.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Chris
> > > >>> '91 200q20v
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Bernie Benz wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Not suprising.  I've always been a proponent of UFOs vs. G60s
> because of
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> 15% braking torque UFO advantage due to its larger rotor diameter,
> piston
> > > >>>> area remains the same.  Paying for a real upgrade in braking torque
> and
> > > >>>> heat
> > > >>>> capacity, as you are planning, can possibably be justified but
> paying for,
> > > >>>> or even allowing Audi to to so to you for a down grade is beyoud my
> > > >>>> comprehension.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Bernie
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> > > >>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:11:00 -0400
> > > >>>>> To: "'Bernie Benz'" <b.m.benz at prodigy.net>
> > > >>>>> Subject: RE: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I find that your opinion of the UFO "upgrade" is surprising.
> Ultimately
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>> UFO's are better but very few people can get them to brake
> smoothly and
> > > >>>>> consistently.  And parts (and labor) are VERY expensive.  That's
> why it
> > > >>>>> was
> > > >>>>> changed under warranty.  I'm not happy with the brakes on my S4
> either but
> > > >>>>> when I used new rotors and pads both front and rear, I got a firm
> pedal
> > > >>>>> with
> > > >>>>> fairly strong stopping power.  I just wouldn't trust them at the
> track.
> > > >>>>> But
> > > >>>>> that's why the S4 will be getting the Big Reds when the budget
> will allow
> > > >>>>> it.  The 200TQW will probably remain mostly stock.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Dave
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.m.benz at prodigy.net]
> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PM
> > > >>>>> To: Freed, David (Exchange)
> > > >>>>> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Two comments, Dave.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Audi's "fix" conversion from UFOs to G60s, IMO, was a downgrade,
> not an
> > > >>>>> upgrade in braking performance.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Rotary shaft seals:  If a seal is leaking and no other internal
> symptoms,
> > > >>>>> shch as bad noises, add a half a can of engine seal restorer the
> rear end,
> > > >>>>> and the other half into the tranny.  Of course this works on
> engine shaft
> > > >>>>> seals also.  Don't fix it if it ain't broke!
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Bernie
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> From: "Freed, David (Exchange)" <dfreed at bear.com>
> > > >>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:20 -0400
> > > >>>>>> To: "'200q20v List'" <200q20v at audifans.com>
> > > >>>>>> Subject: New Member, Not a new Audi owner
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not
> > > >>>>>> understand
> > > >>>>>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> I just joined this mailing list because I just got a new (to me)
> '91 200
> > > >>>>> TQ
> > > >>>>>> Avant in Indigo Mica (I've corrected my previous error of Lago)
> with Grey
> > > >>>>>> leather and 114,000 miles.  The body and interior are in
> excellent shape
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>>> a previous owner had the UFO upgraded to S4 front brakes plus a
> Hoppen
> > > >>>>> chip.
> > > >>>>>> I've already received congrats from several list members because
> I also
> > > >>>>> own
> > > >>>>>> a '93 S4 and belong to the S-Car list.  I've include my original
> post to
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> S-Car list as an introduction.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Here's my problem:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> There is a leak coming from the Right Rear differential seal.  Is
> this a
> > > >>>>>> common seal failure or a sign of internal wear that could cost
> big bucks?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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