[s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
Mark Strangways
strangconst at rogers.com
Mon Jun 23 00:26:34 EDT 2003
One thing to add here.
I know R-12 forms a deadly poison gas when it comes into contact with open
flames.
So, turn the A/C off prior to getting into that multicar accident !
Mark
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From: "Calvin & Diana Craig" <calvinlc at earthlink.net>
To: "Bill Bennett" <ur.quattro at verizon.net>; "Greg Johnson"
<gregsj2 at attbi.com>; "northwest audi enthusiasts"
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Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:46 AM
Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
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> Bill,
>
> I am just saying that you brought up the whole flammable thing and I don't
> think it's a relevant argument against using R-12 substitutes when the
> "substitute" the industry has made standard is more flammable. Why use
> Duracool...easy...I don't have to change my seals, etc. like I would if I
> switched to R-134a. If I had an R-134a car would I use something
> different...probably not, too easy to put the same crap in there that the
> factory did. And yes, it is scary that Saab builds airplanes.
>
> --Calvin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:14 PM
> To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S
> Cars; V8; urq; 200 List
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
>
>
> Calvin, none of my cars have any refrigerant, I live in Orygun, save the
> weight, why haul around what you do not need, I just sit around every
> weekend spittin' and tossing matches with my beer buddies into a bucket
> filled with liquid gasoline, we bet who can make it lite off, the loser
has
> to drink another beer, boy we get sheet faced! sit around and fart and
beer
> burps and talk about the big difference between a liquid and a vapor (gas)
> in the same ignition event, we are thinking about building a device to
> collect vapor, go have some beers and toss matches and see what happens.
And
> seriously! Duracool? who sells recycling machines for it? (no one) who
sells
> recycling machines for R134a? All the A/C suppliers. Who supports Duracool
> with technical advise? no one I heard of. Who supports R134a with
technical
> advise? Well MACS, iATN, SAE, LMVIND, WIS, TIS, Audi, Volvo, VW, Mickie
> Benz, BuMmerW, Porsche, Slaab( scary that Saab builds planes too), and all
> the American car manufacturers, oh, also the japs and koreans. Bill PS R
> 134a may not be the best coolant, it is the industry standard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Calvin & Diana Craig
> To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars
;
> V8 ; urq ; 200 List
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:38 PM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
>
>
> Bill,
>
> I hope you don't have any R134a in any of your vehicles. The
> autoignition temperature for that is 300 degrees LESS than Duracool. I
> don't know about Autofrost, but Duracool is what I use. A full charge of
> this stuff will create a flash for 1 to 1.5 seconds when ignited, which of
> course is harder to do than the R134a that is in all the newer vehicles.
> People see the word hydrocarbon and get scared. EVERYTHING is flammable,
> it's just a matter of at what temperature and under what conditions.
>
> I don't quite understand the statement about throw a match on liquid
> gasoline and it goes out. I thought gas was one of the best fire
> accelerators around.
>
> --Calvin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Bennett [mailto:ur.quattro at verizon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:47 PM
> To: Calvin & Diana Craig; Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts;
S
> Cars; V8; urq; 200 List
> Subject: Re: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
>
>
> Yeah, and it is not a foot from the front of the car in vapor in a
> fragile aluminum tube boob, no thanks Calvin, I like my urq too much to
use
> this sheet, throw a match on liquid gasoline it goes out, throw a match on
> flammable gas? WHOMP!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Calvin & Diana Craig
> To: Bill Bennett ; Greg Johnson ; northwest audi enthusiasts ; S
> Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [s-cars] Re: [urq] AutoFrost?
>
>
> Yeah, so is gas, but we seem to put about 21 gallons of that in
the
> car :)
> --Calvin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: s-car-list-admin at audifans.com
> [mailto:s-car-list-admin at audifans.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bennett
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: Greg Johnson; northwest audi enthusiasts; S Cars; V8; urq; 200
> List
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>
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> after visiting their website using that refrigerant in an URQ
would
> be a BAD
> idea. URQ's use the mini York, the shaft seal materials are not
> compatible
> with that refrigerant R406A and it is flammable! not a good idea
in
> a car,
> Kaboom! in a collision event! pay the piper and stay with R-12 or
> convert to
> R-134a. Regards, Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Johnson
> To: northwest audi enthusiasts ; S Cars ; V8 ; urq ; 200 List
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:39 PM
> Subject: [urq] AutoFrost?
>
>
> Have any of you successfully used AutoFrost instead of Freon?
>
> See www.autofrost.com
>
> TIA for your input.
>
> Greg J
> BIRA.ORG
>
>
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