200q20v Digest, Vol 21, Issue 6
Kerry Griffith
i2k at xmission.com
Tue Jul 19 01:04:41 EDT 2005
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> 1. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Mike Miller)
> 2. Another one bites the dust (Mike Miller)
> 3. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Kerry Griffith)
> 4. re: Another one bites the dust (wheels) (Kerry Griffith)
> 5. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Phil Rose)
> 6. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Kerry Griffith)
> 7. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Kerry Griffith)
> 8. re: Another one bites the dust (wheels) (Peter Schulz)
> 9. Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!) (Bernie Benz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:39:57 -0600
> From: Mike Miller <mikemilr at blackfoot.net>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>, 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <000c01c58a68$112e3540$0200a8c0 at Mike>
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> Is the top of the tank or the threads cracked in that area, showing up
> only
> under pressure?
>
> mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Griffith" <i2k at xmission.com>
>
>> Gents,
>>
>> When my car gets hot enough, coolant leaks from beneath the expansion
>> tank cap. My techs (I'm beginning to suspect a strong primate
>> connection) installed a new cap.
>> The question: If the oil and coolant guages are within normal
>> boundaries, and no idiot lights are lit, does the abovementioned
>> puking
>> indicate the expansion tank-cap interface, or is the cap designed to
>> bleed off coolant if a problem exists elsewhere?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kerry
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:51:49 -0600
> From: Mike Miller <mikemilr at blackfoot.net>
> Subject: Another one bites the dust
> To: 200 20v List <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <000d01c58a69$b93cdce0$0200a8c0 at Mike>
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> Seems I've managed to total another 91 200. Wonder how many people are
> in
> the "totaled 2-91 200's" club. Not many I hope.
>
> The body shop is saying 6700+ in damage for my deer tossing exercise a
> couple weeks ago. I haven't seen the estimate yet to know what parts
> they
> think are bad. I know the hood, grill, passenger euro and most likely
> the
> intercooler are toast. I suspect some of the supports for the above
> may also
> be damaged. Car runs great til til you try to make it go - then it
> stalls -
> is why I suspect the intercooler.
>
> Guess I'll be in the market for another one once again. Managed to get
> 45k
> miles on this one in just under 2 years. What sucks is the $2600+
> repair
> bill 10 days prior to the accident that I'm sure the ins. co. will not
> take
> into consideration. I'll have to see how much they want for the
> salvage -
> last time it was just under $250 and they paid to tow it here.
>
> Anyone know if the 16 wheels that fit the 91 200s also fit a UrS6?
> Miglia
> 1000's as I recall. May just see if I can find a nice 95.5 S6 to throw
> money
> at.
>
> thanks,
> mike
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:02:18 -0600
> From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: Mike Miller <mikemilr at blackfoot.net>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <AD7D9CBF-F6FD-11D9-9DC3-0050E4EE157E at xmission.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Cracked threads or tank is my hope and my assumption. If anyone can
> explain a different cause of this symptom (other than a loose cap), I'd
> like to know.
> Otherwise, I shall I proceed to replace the tank.
>
> Kerry
>
>
> On Saturday, July 16, 2005, at 06:39 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Is the top of the tank or the threads cracked in that area, showing up
>> only
>> under pressure?
>>
>> mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kerry Griffith" <i2k at xmission.com>
>>
>>> Gents,
>>>
>>> When my car gets hot enough, coolant leaks from beneath the expansion
>>> tank cap. My techs (I'm beginning to suspect a strong primate
>>> connection) installed a new cap.
>>> The question: If the oil and coolant guages are within normal
>>> boundaries, and no idiot lights are lit, does the abovementioned
>>> puking
>>> indicate the expansion tank-cap interface, or is the cap designed to
>>> bleed off coolant if a problem exists elsewhere?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kerry
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:00:52 -0600
> From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Subject: re: Another one bites the dust (wheels)
> To: mikemilr at blackfoot.net
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <DC4A18A0-F705-11D9-A562-0050E4EE157E at xmission.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> I don't know about aftermarket wheels, nor do I know about the 91 200s.
> But I do know that '95.5 S6 Avus wheels fit perfectly on a '91 200q,
> as do all urQ wheels (and I've seen a stock-appearing '91 200q with
> urS4 wheels. A few years back there was a myth circulating to the
> effect that very few Audi wheels fit the '91 200q, but it was a myth.
> Based on my experience, I would imagine you can do it. I'm just
> confused by the '91 200s designation. I thought they were all
> designated 200q or 200 turbo in '91. But I could fill galaxies with the
> stuff I don't know.
>
> mike wrote: Anyone know if the 16 wheels that fit the 91 200s also fit
> a UrS6? Miglia
> 1000's as I recall. May just see if I can find a nice 95.5 S6 to throw
> money
> at.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:25:03 -0400
> From: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <a06100507bf0089c26651@[192.168.0.100]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> At 2:02 PM -0600 7/17/05, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>> Cracked threads or tank is my hope and my assumption. If anyone can
>> explain a different cause of this symptom (other than a loose cap),
>> I'd like to know.
>
> Your previous post was about leakage when your car "gets hot enough",
> so I've gotta ask the obvious: is the radiator fan working properly
> at that point (i.e., at stage-3 speed)? Is the 80-amp fusible link
> intact?
>
> Phil
> --
>
> Phil Rose
> Rochester, NY
> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:47:16 -0600
> From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: Phil Rose <pjrose at frontiernet.net>
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <B924E994-F714-11D9-AF1E-0050E4EE157E at xmission.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> Thanks for the input, Phil. I was beginning to despair for lack of
> responses. The radiator fan operates as it should. I'll have to go back
> in the archives for the 80-amp fusible link, unless you can refresh my
> memory as to how (and if) one with quite limited skills would check the
> link.
>
> The gents who work on my car replaced the cap on the tank when I
> brought it in for this symptom initially. They work on enough cars of
> this vintage that I suspect they'd catch the link, but since evolution
> suggests that mankind may indeed be descended from monkey lads, I
> wouldn't bet the subdivision.
>
> As for "hot enough" the car has only become sufficiently heated for
> coolant to escape when driving from 4000' to 7000' in elevation at
> 75-80ish mph on the Interstate when the ambient temperature was 100F at
> 4000' and over 90F at 7000'. I've done that twice now; the remainder of
> the driving has been around town where the thermal load is insufficient
> to cause coolant loss. Gauges don't indicate anything inappropriate for
> the thermal load. Sorry I wasn't specific enough previously.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Kerry
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2005, at 04:25 PM, Phil Rose wrote:
>
>> At 2:02 PM -0600 7/17/05, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>>> Cracked threads or tank is my hope and my assumption. If anyone can
>>> explain a different cause of this symptom (other than a loose cap),
>>> I'd like to know.
>>
>> Your previous post was about leakage when your car "gets hot enough",
>> so I've gotta ask the obvious: is the radiator fan working properly
>> at that point (i.e., at stage-3 speed)? Is the 80-amp fusible link
>> intact?
>>
>> Phil
>> --
>>
>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:49:02 -0600
> From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <5A38FF4C-F71D-11D9-AF1E-0050E4EE157E at xmission.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> The viscosity of the plot changes. After some archival searching, I'm
> think that my fan wouldn't operate if the fusible link was bad- but
> let's not forget Darwin- I'm far from q-knowledgeable.
> More importantly, I became concerned about possible head gasket
> failure. So I started the car and watched to see if bubbles would
> arrive in the expansion tank. I had refilled the system (50/50
> h2o/coolant) to replace the 32 fl oz that had escaped. Backed car from
> garage so incline of driveway caused coolant in expansion tank to rise
> to inside of cap. Lo and behold, coolant began leaking from beneath the
> (new) cap immediately. Ambient temp and temp of motor 77F -car hadn't
> been started for 24 hours.
>
> So I'm back to wondering if the plastic tank has cracked threads, or if
> there's some weird blockage elsewhere in the coolant pathway causing
> pressure sufficient for coolant to be forced through the cap- I assume
> the odd looking black plastic thingy inside the cap is a valve to allow
> for such an event.
> I'm very much hoping that it's just the tank- even I can replace that.
> Any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA,
> Kerry
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 17, 2005, at 04:25 PM, Phil Rose wrote:
>
>> At 2:02 PM -0600 7/17/05, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>>> Cracked threads or tank is my hope and my assumption. If anyone can
>>> explain a different cause of this symptom (other than a loose cap),
>>> I'd like to know.
>>
>> Your previous post was about leakage when your car "gets hot enough",
>> so I've gotta ask the obvious: is the radiator fan working properly
>> at that point (i.e., at stage-3 speed)? Is the 80-amp fusible link
>> intact?
>>
>> Phil
>> --
>>
>> Phil Rose
>> Rochester, NY
>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:31:22 -0400
> From: Peter Schulz <pcschulz at comcast.net>
> Subject: re: Another one bites the dust (wheels)
> To: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>, mikemilr at blackfoot.net
> Cc: 200q20v at audifans.com
> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20050717202903.02388ec0 at mail.comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Kerry:
>
> The issue is the 200 20v UFO style brakes.
> Offset of 35mm won't guarantee that wheel will clear the rotor.
>
> If the 200 is using G60 calipers, pretty much all 35mm offset wheels
> under
> 8 inches in width should fit.
>
>
> -Peter
>
> At 05:00 PM 7/17/2005, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>> I don't know about aftermarket wheels, nor do I know about the 91
>> 200s.
>> But I do know that '95.5 S6 Avus wheels fit perfectly on a '91 200q,
>> as
>> do all urQ wheels (and I've seen a stock-appearing '91 200q with urS4
>> wheels. A few years back there was a myth circulating to the effect
>> that
>> very few Audi wheels fit the '91 200q, but it was a myth. Based on my
>> experience, I would imagine you can do it. I'm just confused by the
>> '91
>> 200s designation. I thought they were all designated 200q or 200
>> turbo in
>> '91. But I could fill galaxies with the stuff I don't know.
>>
>> mike wrote: Anyone know if the 16 wheels that fit the 91 200s also
>> fit a
>> UrS6? Miglia
>> 1000's as I recall. May just see if I can find a nice 95.5 S6 to
>> throw money
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> 1991 90 20v Q Red
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>
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:36:05 -0700
> From: Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
> To: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
> Message-ID: <BF004784.22CB%b.benz at charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Another possibility re tank leakage, BTDT on the same 5K tank. The
> round
> hole in the top of the reservoir beside the cap, a weld point joining
> the
> two halves, cracked down near the weld area. I drilled a center hole
> thru
> to the mating bottom recess and with a thru bolt and washers and Si
> caulk,
> eliminated the problem. Find the leak with certainty!
>
> Bernie
>
>> From: Kerry Griffith <i2k at xmission.com>
>> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:49:02 -0600
>> To: 200q20v at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: coolant leakage (*%#*!!)
>>
>> The viscosity of the plot changes. After some archival searching, I'm
>> think that my fan wouldn't operate if the fusible link was bad- but
>> let's not forget Darwin- I'm far from q-knowledgeable.
>> More importantly, I became concerned about possible head gasket
>> failure. So I started the car and watched to see if bubbles would
>> arrive in the expansion tank. I had refilled the system (50/50
>> h2o/coolant) to replace the 32 fl oz that had escaped. Backed car from
>> garage so incline of driveway caused coolant in expansion tank to rise
>> to inside of cap. Lo and behold, coolant began leaking from beneath
>> the
>> (new) cap immediately. Ambient temp and temp of motor 77F -car hadn't
>> been started for 24 hours.
>>
>> So I'm back to wondering if the plastic tank has cracked threads, or
>> if
>> there's some weird blockage elsewhere in the coolant pathway causing
>> pressure sufficient for coolant to be forced through the cap- I assume
>> the odd looking black plastic thingy inside the cap is a valve to
>> allow
>> for such an event.
>> I'm very much hoping that it's just the tank- even I can replace that.
>> Any wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Kerry
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 17, 2005, at 04:25 PM, Phil Rose wrote:
>>
>>> At 2:02 PM -0600 7/17/05, Kerry Griffith wrote:
>>>> Cracked threads or tank is my hope and my assumption. If anyone can
>>>> explain a different cause of this symptom (other than a loose cap),
>>>> I'd like to know.
>>>
>>> Your previous post was about leakage when your car "gets hot enough",
>>> so I've gotta ask the obvious: is the radiator fan working properly
>>> at that point (i.e., at stage-3 speed)? Is the 80-amp fusible link
>>> intact?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>> --
>>>
>>> Phil Rose
>>> Rochester, NY
>>> mailto:pjrose at frontiernet.net
>>>
>>
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