Springs revisited (again)

[Adam Gratz]

>
> Eric-



I ran Stock V8 springs on my 89 10v Avant with Koni Sports @ %75 and WHAT A
WONDERFUL DIFFERENCE.  I too wanted to keep the clearance. A additional big
help on body roll was (Now this is experiential, not out of my dusty physics
text) putting Energy suspension Polyurethane bushing on the front sway bar.
www.energy suspension.com.

I don't recommend the brackets they come with as mine ended up shearing. I
used the stock bushing brackets and trimmed the poly bushing to fit a little
better. BIG improvement.

My advice is cheap,

doc-

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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:12:47 -0400
> From: "Eric Huppert" <ehuppert at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: Springs revisited (again)
> To: "Bernie Benz" <b.benz at charter.net>
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list <200q20v at audifans.com>
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> Bernie,
>
> Nothing happening yet! I usually like to do my research BEFORE I make a
> change, never mind the fact I'm getting married in two weeks (again!),
> trying to sell my house, and just sold the other 200 20V which I'm getting
> ready for Canadian import!
>
> My point of reference for "handling" was my first 87 5000cs. Cornered very
> flat and rode decent. the 200 10v after that I had installed completely
> new
> suspension: struts/strut bearings, control arms, sub fame bushings, tie
> rods, rear links, etc, etc. That car felt the same as my 20v, large road
> dips at speed tended to create a lot of front end dive, and also a good
> amount of body lean while cornering. Now wondering if the 87 had V8
> springs
> are something similar as it wasn't lowered, felt a lot better, and did
> come
> from a past employee of Shokan.
>
> Had emailed a lister who had advertised a set of S6 H&R's on the market
> place. Had hoped to get some dimensions from the  S6 H&R's to see unloaded
> height difference between them and stock... but seeing as no reply with
> two
> messages sent I'll assume they're gone, or he didn't want to really sell
> them?
>
> Will keep the list posted as this project progresses!
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Benz [mailto:b.benz at charter.net]
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> To: Eric Huppert
> Cc: 200q20V mailing list
> Subject: Re: Springs revisited (again)
>
>
> Eric, What's happening with you on this thread?
>
> Bernie
>
>
> Eric,
> One more point. If you lower the 200 beyond the original SRH you will
> be plagued with excessive negative camber.
> Bernie
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Eric Huppert wrote:
>
> > Okay Gents, this is always a hot topic, yet I haven't really
> > figured out a
> > solution!
> >
> > Want to get springs for my 200 20V that DON'T lower it. Living in
> > upstate
> > NY, (not in suburbia) I really want to keep my ground clearance for
> > the
> > occasional snow storms (2 times 2 footers this year). Springs I
> > have are
> > somewhat beat, little wishy washy in road dips etc, and don't
> > believe it's
> > the struts. Going to be installing a tower brace, tires, and
> > alignment, so
> > figure it's now, or way later. Would obviously do struts if replacing
> > springs
> Eric, Springs don't "get beat" with useage. The spring rate does not
> change, unless they break. Only the SRH changes because of time and
> load related stress relieving. This SRH reduction can easily be
> compensated for by shimming, adding rubber washers to the original
> shim. Struts do wear out, the rebound damping being the critical
> factor. An underdamped  rebound system will overshoot  the return to
> SRH, with tires tending to bounce off the pavement.  So, change the
> springs only if you wish to move to a different spring rate. Do
> change your shocks but they 2must match to the spring rate, over
> damped is not good either.
>
> Bernie
> >
> > Jim Rose had suggested possibly using S6 springs. Anyone have specs
> > for 200
> > 20v vs. S6 springs? Have surfed quite a bit, haven't found anything
> > on stock
> > or aftermarket spring specs. Would like a little stiffer, same
> > height, or
> > close to it. Could possibly trim springs down without affecting
> > tempering
> > (cut-off wheel, lots of cool water) if needed?
> >
> > Saw a set of S6 H&R's on the MP, maybe wouldn't drop 200 as much
> > due to
> > weight difference?
> >
> > Thoughts? (okay, flame away!)
> >
> > Eric
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:31:31 -0400
> From: "Eric Huppert" <ehuppert at hvc.rr.com>
> Subject: Springs revisited (again)
> To: "200q20v" <200q20v at audifans.com>
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> Bernie,
>
> Larry has also offered a set of S6 stockers, may be a option also. Need to
> figure out static height to see what the difference is.
>
> Larry, could you measure the unloaded height? Going to VW parts today, can
> measure some 10v springs and compare...
>
> Eric
>