On Dec 17, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Huw Powell wrote: > , carry a hammer to rap it if it doesn't kick in. Sorry to be a party-pooper here. Starters contain a warning label with a hammer and a big red X; magnets are damaged by impact. They can shatter (they're brittle) or demagnetize. You can also deform the case enough that the magnets touch the rotor. Brett