Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq

[Ben Swann]

Claus,

Not at all as you describe.  Plenty of ways like adjusting the maps for better
efficiency and other means that should not be considered as a hack.

All I was suggesting, is that from the factory, the 3B tuning tended to be more of a
"gas guzzler" than the CIS setup on earlier versions.  One would expect with the 20v
head, better flow, better intercooler, Sequential Electronic Fuel Injection, dual knock
sensors, Dual Exhausts, and so on, that the car could have been better on economy than
the older 10V engines using CIS.  

I have been able to get better economy and power out of mine, so this is not merely
academic.

Ben 

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Vegener [mailto:vegener at post7.tele.dk] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Ben Swann; 'Brian K. Ullrich'; 'Schaible, David'
Cc: '200q20V mailing list'
Subject: Re: Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq

Ben wrote: "
You can tune the Motronic system to be way more efficient - or way less too"

Please how ? Fouling some sensors or what ?
You can change chips for higher boost and the fuel chip have to be changed at the same
time, but I have never heard about possibilities to change the fuel economy.

A resistor soldered in series with the lambda could give a lower (fat'er) reading
forcing the ECU to lean out ?

? Claus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Swann" <benswann at verizon.net>
To: "'Brian K. Ullrich'" <bullrich at ullrichsys.com>; "'Schaible, David'" 
<David.Schaible at jrspharma.com>
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Subject: RE: Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq


> In theory,  the Motronic system in the '91 2Ctq should be better on fuel.
>
> In practice, there are too many other variables, including the car 
> itself - the earlier
> car is more aerodynamic, etc. and for some reason, the CIS system tends to 
> lend itself
> to better economy.  This of course changes when things are modified.  My 
> experience has
> been that the 10V T44's get better fuel economy than the '91 when all is 
> in good sort
> and tune.  I have had probably a good 10 of each.
>
> You can tune the Motronic system to be way more efficient - or way less 
> too.
>
> Anyway, CIS is older and dated, but works fine in this car.
>
> Ben
>
>  _____
>
> From: Brian K. Ullrich [mailto:bullrich at ullrichsys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: 'Schaible, David'; 'Ben Swann'
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> Subject: RE: Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq
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>
>
> It's a CIS III. And to be honest, I haven't driven it enough to get a real 
> feel for the
> mileage yet.
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: Schaible, David [mailto:David.Schaible at jrspharma.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:37 AM
> To: Ben Swann; bullrich at ullrichsys.com
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> Subject: RE: Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq
>
>
>
> Is this car EFI or CIS..I would think EFI if you are getting good fuel 
> #......what mpg
> have you gotten?
>
>
>
> David Schaible
>
> JRS Pharma LP
>
> 2981 Rt. 22
>
> Patterson, NY 12563
>
> 845.878.8343
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>
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>
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>
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> From: Ben Swann [mailto:benswann at verizon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: Schaible, David; bullrich at ullrichsys.com
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> Subject: RE: Sway Bar Bushings on '90 20tq
>
>
>
> Why not?  If everything else is in good condition, expecially cosmetics, 
> then worth it.
> You can get plenty of decent power installing a chip and good driveability 
> out of them
> and the interior is pretty much the same.  Also, not to start a thread on 
> this, but they
> generally get better fuel economy too.
>
> If the car needs paint, interior and/or engine work, then might be better 
> to start with
> a better overall car.
>
> Ben
>
> [Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:34:00 -0500
> From: "Schaible, David" <David.Schaible at jrspharma.com>
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> I don't understand why you would do all this work to a 10v.]
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