track pads for the 200

Thu Dec 2 09:54:20 PST 2010

Yeah, mine are stiff on small payment cracks, I also have 17 inch 2000 S6  
wheels with stiff sport tires and run Haka, RSI on 15 inch rime in the 
winter,  still stiff.  I do like them.  On my old 5000 Avant I had KYB front  and 
adjustable Koni (red's) in the medium position in the rear with standard  
wheels.  Ride was a bit more forgiving.  KYB's were good for about  100k, the 
Koni's had over 200k and still worked when I sold the car.
Pete

PS, I would make sure your suspension bushings front and rear are  good.

In a message dated 12/2/2010 11:42:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
ekellock at gmail.com writes:

I've  given Bilstien HDs an extremely fair opportunity to satisfy and they
failed  miserably.  They start out hard and never soften up.  The damping  
of
large motions is very good, but they have surpisingly little compliance  for
minor irregularities.

Does anyone remember the old machines that  people used to lost weight?  The
ones with the belt that went around a  person's middle and just jiggled the
fat off (supposedly)?  Well,  having HDs on a car is like that... it's like
driving around with one of  those jiggle belt machines attached to you.
Jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle,  jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle,
jiggle.

I've had HDs in  three cars over the years, brand new ones in a V8 5spd, 
very
well used in a  91 Avant, and new in a 83 GTI.  The suspension control of
large  motions was great and stayed consistent with age, buy they never lost
the  jiggle factor.   

With the GTI I ended up with stock dampers  from VW.  Similar story with the
Avant.  They're still in the V8  5spd, but it's in storage and I have some
Konis Reds for it when it goes  back on the road.

My 93 V8 came to me with Koni Yellows and  H&Rs.  I replaced the H&R's with
stock V8 springs and  absolutely love the ride.  The UFO uprights in the
Avant were hacked  to do a big brake conversion so I think I'll probably 
just
swap those over  to the 5spd as whole units someday to be able to run stock
wheels with  snows on the wagon.  I should actually swap in the Reds for  
the
Yellows in the 93 V8 to compare those head to head.  Then the  Yellows could
go into the Avant uprights and then into the 5spd when it  starts to come
together with the 4.2 swap,  etc.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From:  200q20v-bounces at audifans.com [mailto:200q20v-bounces at audifans.com]  
On
Behalf Of robert weinberg
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:23  AM
To: 200q20V mailing list
Subject: Re: track pads for the  200

i'd go for bilstein HD's. i have koni yellows and H&R  springs - the koni's
are 
already getting soft on the front - and they  only have about 30k on them.  

Robby

________________________________
From:  Bernie Benz <b.benz at charter.net>
To: David Sexton  <sextondm at gmail.com>
Cc: 200q20V mailing list  <200q20v at audifans.com>
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 7:40:09  AM
Subject: Re: track pads for the 200

My suspension is stock, with  Konis. Negative camber neutralized by a  
combo of moving strut top  outboard as far as possible by filing  
mounting holes in tower top,  and adding a strut brace. The latter is  
the best chassis mod that  you could make for the track. See my design  
posted to this list many  years ago.

Bernie

On Dec 1, 2010, at 10:30 PM, David Sexton  wrote:

> What kind of setup are you running for suspension?  My  car's stock,
> and I don't think I'll ever take it far from there, but  H&R's and  
> possibly Koni Yellow's could be in the  future  :)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Bernie  Benz <b.benz at charter.net>  
> wrote:
>
>
>  Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From:  n-engelbert at terrans.net
>> Date: September 20, 2005 9:50:05 AM  PDT
>> To: brett at cloud9.net
>> Cc: quattro at audifans.com,  200q20v at audifans.com
>> Subject: Re: track pads for the  200
>>
>>> Last year at Tremblant I borrowed a set of  pads from a fellow  
>>> lister- we
>>> think  they were Paul Weston carbon pads, but nobody is really  
>>>  sure, and
>>> they were not marked, far as I can  remember.
>>>
>>> I liked them, though it seemed like  they really needed some heat;
>>> initially they wouldn't have  much bite, but as they heated up  
>>> braking  for
>>> a turn they'd really haul the car down (which I suppose is  good-
>>> progressive, and only get stronger as they heat up  instead of  
>>> fading out.)
>>>  I ended  up with some streaks of pad material; rotor surface was  
>>>  very poor
>>> and the brake ducts were missing, so maybe that  partially  
>>> explains it.
>>>
>>>  Anyway- email to Paul Weston went unanswered several days ago,   
>>> and nobody
>>> answers the phone.  I sent  another email from a different  
>>> address,  but
>>> this guy seems a little hard to get ahold of, and the  website is a
>>> disaster;java applets used as  buttons...[shudder].
>>>
>>> So I need pads- by end of  this week or early next week.  Don't  
>>>  especially
>>> care about dust that much long as it won't eat the  hell out of  
>>> the wheels.
>>>  I am  looking for something that will stand up well to track rotor
>>>  temperatures.  Modulation/progressiveness would be a plus, since   
>>> the UFOs
>>> are not the easiest to  modulate.
>>>
>>> I'd rather not have to mess around  with sending in backing plates.
>>>
>>> Any  recommendations?
>>>
>>> Brett
>>
>>  The only readily available "track" pads that I'm aware of for the   
>> UFO's is
>> the Porterfield R4, which I destroyed in a  weekend at Autobahn  
>> Country
>> Club in Joliet  IL.  Overheated the pads and they were really  
>>  cracked.  I
>> then sent the plates into Carbotech  (www.carbotecheng.com) and got  
>> the XP9
>>  compound.  That was great for two events Grattan and Mid-Ohio.   
>> They've
>> probably got 2 more 30 minute sessions left  on them if you need them,
>> Brett.  Although, getting pads from  carbotech is not really an  
>> option for
>> you  because their lead time is ~1 week.
>>
>> I ran R4S at  Blackhawk Farms because I hadn't had my XP9's redone  
>> and  wore
>> those down to the backing plates in 2 sessions.  I got  nice  
>> stories on how
>> much "smoke" was coming  from my wheel wells going into 7 there.  
>> What I
>>  ended up running at Blackhawk was the stock Jurid pads, which   
>> didn't brake
>> amazingly, but did hold up to the  remaining 5 sessions.
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>>  Nathan Engelbert
>> 83 UrQ DA900453
>> 89 90q
>> 91  200q20v avant
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